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  1. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelife View Post
    Hello All!! Very intrigued reading this blog about 2.0 Love the updates!

    I started HCG P2 today. First VLCD day. I have done HCG several times and seem to stall for 12-14 days, which leads to minimal losses. I've extended rounds 50 days and only end up losing 12 lbs. Very frustrating to put in so much effort and not lose a lot. Wondering if this HCG 2.0 is better. I did Atkins in 2003 and it worked, but the weight came on after I ate normal. Will it be hard to stabilize after 2.0 round? I'd like to have quinoa and start juicing again once in P4 and stable. Think there is concern there???
    Thanks LL. Glad you enjoyed it.

    There would be a lot of questions to get down to how and why the stalls occur. But for the most part, depending on the individual, they will happen. For me, no two rounds are the same. This round, I stalled for 4 days. But there always seems to be a difficult week for me. But low scale losses can be born of being close to your goal, cheating, water weight fluctuations among many other things. There are people on these pages (like Leez) who know more than I do so I don't really want to go to far into explanations because I can probably do as much harm than good.

    To your question on 2.0, in my opinion it is better. At least for me it is. I like the extra bit of lean protein and the elimination of the fruit (a hassle in my mind) and breadstick (just makes me want more). To me, it is simpler and I am not as hungry. Check that, I am really not hungry at all and with original protocol I am basically hungry all the time. Weight loss is roughly the same as is inches lost off of the hips, thighs and waist. Not sure if stabilization is the same, worse or better though. I have not stabilized as well following my 2.0 rounds, but to be honest, I have not behaved as I should. Simple operator error. I hope to be much more vigilant this time and will report on my progress so stay tuned.

    Phase 4: not sure on quinoa as it is a grain. But that is what phase for is there for, mix some things in to see how you react. Just make sure that when you are eating grains/carbs etc minimize the amount of fat you are eating with it. Don't have a giant ribeye steak with your quinoa is my point.

    The best advice I can give is to study and be informed. This is only my opinion but if you are to do this protocol, then the original "Pounds and Inches" by Simeons, "HCG 2.0" by Zach Laboube and "Weight Loss Apocalypse" by Woodall. I would read them in that order. They are that important and really helps put your mind in the right place. I cannot tell you how many people try this protocol not even knowing what is behind it and why we do this. A lot of people just go on the Facebook page and ask if they can have potatoes on Phase 3 and angle for some interesting cheat meals.

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    I first tried HCG in 2005 and studied quiet a bit. I've done a long round every year in January to get me back on track from my fun summer snacks on the boat and lazy fall comfort foods. the original protocol (op) It's getting pretty boring year after year. Thought maybe I was getting immune to it or assumed this is how my body would always respond.

    I downloaded the book HCG 2.0 last night and read it. I am excited that this might break my stall points in my previous rounds for 6 years I didn't eat the breadstick - been gluten free since 2011. Once those long 12-15 day stalls hit, I substituted my 2nd fruit at night for a 2oz glass of red wine. (Yes, I went rogue.) The rounds get long & discouraging without any loses.

    How is your wife doing? Is she losing well?

  3. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelife View Post
    I first tried HCG in 2005 and studied quiet a bit. I've done a long round every year in January to get me back on track from my fun summer snacks on the boat and lazy fall comfort foods. the original protocol (op) It's getting pretty boring year after year. Thought maybe I was getting immune to it or assumed this is how my body would always respond.

    I downloaded the book HCG 2.0 last night and read it. I am excited that this might break my stall points in my previous rounds for 6 years I didn't eat the breadstick - been gluten free since 2011. Once those long 12-15 day stalls hit, I substituted my 2nd fruit at night for a 2oz glass of red wine. (Yes, I went rogue.) The rounds get long & discouraging without any loses.

    How is your wife doing? Is she losing well?
    Sounds like 2.0 should work well for you. There will still be stalls. But you should find a way to eliminate that glass of wine. I love wine and it is tough but beneficial to take a break for a month. Also, maybe do shorter rounds might be an idea.

    My wife lost 12 lbs last round (21 days). I believe she is on the same pace this round. But she has lost so much since she had her surgery so it is all relative

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    Thanks for the information !! Fingers crossed.... last time it took 52 days to lose 12 lbs. Cheers to "LESS" of us !! lol

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    Okay the decision has been made. Calling it on the round. Today is last dose day.

    Final tally for P2. LDW= 218.0lbs. Begun at 236.2, post load 242.0. Weight loss of 18.2lbs, with a loss of 4 inches off of my hips, 3.5 inches off of my waist and 1.5" off my thighs. I am exactly where I was at the end of the last round. I still have room to improve over the last round however and that is by doing a much better job in phase 3. The last couple of rounds, I have mentally checked out once I got out of P2. Not this time. Also no travel or vacations planned of any consequence. I might go to San Antonio to visit my son in college for a weekend but that is not a big deal.

    Last couple of days, the hunger has been strong. I am at a good place weight/inches loss and feel this is a good place to call it a round. Besides I really want to begin P3 this weekend. My last dose will be at 4:45 today which will put Saturday's dinner as my first regular meal. My plan is some fattier cut of steak like outside skirt or NY Strip with a nice salad with avocado oil vinegarette, some olives and avocado chunks. Those avocados really hit the spot after a round.

    My focus will be to listen to my body. Eat when hungry. Take breaks during meals to monitor fullness. overall eat less than I have on previous P3. Also, I will not eat breakfast except on weekends. Dairy hasn't hurt me in the past but will not go crazy on it. Will really focus on snacking, or at least resisting the urge to snack. That is the plan anyway.

    To be continued.

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    Good luck, WB--p3 is actually a pretty great place to live food-wise. You could def visit son in college on P3. I actually just completed (well a week ago) a 2 week Planned Interruption where I ate only P3 foods. So many options, and insertion of fats, like salad dressing, homemade dressing for slaw, or tuna with sugar free mayo--everything tasted so good. The fewer trips prob the better, but you can travel on P3. We only ate out maybe twice, I think? I ended Planned Interruption at exact weight of Last Dose DAy. I will say, you don't want to "diet" on P3, Leez would advise that. But your plan to eat to satisfaction, but not overeat is probably critical to maintenance. I don't think I have ever been as tuned in to hunger cues and satiety levels as this past Planned Interruption. It is a learning experience of critical importance to maintain losses. I will say, I did snack some--not on nuts or cheeses, but if I got hungry, or felt a little "empty" I would spoon out a couple spoonfuls of homemade slaw, or a couple tablespoons of tuna salad and have those for a snack. AT the end of PI purchased some plantain chips, and put tuna on maybe 10 of those and had for snack. Very satisfying snack. I did eat fruit in protein shakes and added a couple TABLESPOONS of HWC to the shake for a meal replacement and it tasted like a milkshake. I like the Premier Protein shakes, have 160 cal. but 30 grams of protein, and maybe 4 carbs. I would add strawberries or blueberries to vitamix when making, with berry stevia and it was like dessert almost. During that Planned Interruption I did go below last dose weight approx 1.2 lbs, but it seemed to settle at LDW. Just saying don't be afraid to eat, you want your metabolism to function at high level after the magic of hcg has helped weight loss.

    Good Luck! Keep us posted on how it goes. And any great P3 food combinations are always appreciated. I wish I liked avacado but I just don't, it's such a healthy food

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    thanks Dubbles. In the past I have travelled quite a bit in P3. My first round back in 2019 I did business travel 10 out of the first 14 days of P3. Could not avoid it. Still did very well and stabilized succesfully. Ate at restaurants every meal and had wine just about every day. I will not be doing any dieting. The only steps I will be mindful is to make sure I am not eating too much and too freely. Yes, P3 is always welcome. That first trip to the grocery store is fun.

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    Three cheers for avocados!! And mindful eating.

    Congrats on a great round, getting right back to where you wanted to be, and knowing when it's time to stop. I think that big time hunger that comes in is a signal it's time to stop. I was definitely there when my round ended. Maybe could or should have ended a couple days earlier. Oh well. Live and learn and carry on.

    So happy we'll be able to share and learn from each other on P3. I'm struggling a little bit already (on day 1!) with the huge influx of options. I know what works best is to focus on healthy meals: mostly veggies, a good portion of nice protein, and a drizzle of healthy fat. Even though I technically *can* have something doesn't mean I *should*, especially if I'm not genuinely hungry. It's a long mantra but a good one I'm trying to keep in mind. . . .

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    a lot of people really stress out over it. I never have. My problem is that I have gone too far the other way in my last two rounds. Even though the options open up, it is still pretty simple. Stay away from processed carbs, starches etc. Learn which "approved" foods give you problems and minimize or avoid them. I think most people get in trouble by eating too much or stay diet paranoid and eat too little.

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    Well done on a great round!

    Its great to see the mindfulness in this crowd... during my 2014/2015 stint, there were always a rouque group, people trying to jippo the system and make Protocol fit into their lives rather than sticking to protocol

    The only part of P3 I am totally different to all of you is to not fall back on old habits and start skipping meals...
    For me the pitfalls generally are
    1) Not eating breakfast - luckily after my last round I fell in love with breakfast again!
    2) not skipping meals! - I think with this second round behind me and consciously taking a prebiotic to heal gut health, I seem to be experiencing hunger ever so often now....
    3) eating ENOUGH! - not being a big eater, i can be prone to not eating enough, so because of that I need to have my 2-3 healthy snacks every day
    4) Being mindful of Fats - due to my cancer diagnosis years ago, I am very fussy about too much animal fat in my diet, so I am stocked up on snacks that could help with the fats and the calories
    5) and last but not least - DO NOT GO OVERBOARD TOMORROW! last day one of P3, I felt Ill for about 3 days for eating wayyy out of my comfort zone
    6) I am that odd one out who record my intake on MyFitnessPal just to keep an eye on Calories in vs calories out, and after this round even more so because my calories out has increased dramatically with my avg of 10,000 steps a day... I have to increase my calories in

    In general my approach is that my NORMAL diet is fundamentally good.... I just have to do more of it and cut the carbs

    Dairy has never affected me weight wise in P3 before, but in my last P3 I switched to Almond milk and it seriously improved my sinuses and allergies, so will most likely do the same again

    MissM... interesting thought "I think most people get in trouble by eating too much or stay diet paranoid and eat too little" - the total fat free thinking is so "diet mentality" and I had to get rid of in my last P3 in order to build more calories and healthy fats... Sugar free I will continue simply because there are so many decent sugar substitutes, I see no reason to continue with it - I do not have a crazy sweet tooth, so it works for me, and I love experimenting with popular recipes and converting it to carb and sugar free and then try it on my friends.... I even found a recipe for Sugar free condensed milk which I want to try out

    Regarding Travel on P3?.. I do not have trouble with the travel, but more the social aspect of it... I was going to cycle around after 4 weeks in P3, but we have a weekend away mid April, so I decided not to do a full P4 and then load on that weekend....

    anyways - I have hijacked your thread for long enough! sorry and good luck with P3!!
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    I have really come to enjoy the creative challenge of finding and creating recipes and foods that fit the phases of this diet, too. Sometimes even brand new ingredients. Please keep sharing what you're finding and making, Yvonne. You've turned me on to such great, fun, tasty stuff!! I do need to be careful with the keto baked-goods treats, though, but that's for down the line. I just need to stay the heck away from them for at least 3-4 weeks of p3. . . .

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    Great posts, guys.

    Flirty, I totally hear you on that. I am a little different in my approach. I am not going to commit to forcing myself to eat breakfast but will listen to my body. If I wake up and my body tells me I need food, I will whip up a couple eggs. If not, I will wait for lunch. In my experience in past P3 rounds, my body really needed to get some food in the system and I generally ate breakfast every day. So we will see. I am not setting anything in stone.

    I am trying to free myself of the mindset that I have to eat all of these meals at certain times. What I end up doing is feeling obliged to eat breakfast, lunch and dinner, just because. I end up eating too much in these meals even though it is basically keto. Most likely I will still eat all the meals, just really slow down and try to eat far less. But the big thing is between meals snacking. that is where a lot of extra calories can come in. Just make sure I monitor hunger and do not eat when I am not hungry. Especially snacking. My old mindset is that if I am watching tv or on a long road trip, there are snacks involved. In the old days, far worse, but I basically replaced old unhealthy snacks with healthier keto approved snacks. Still eating and snacking too much. All I did was change the type of food, not the mindset that led to a bunch of unnecessary eating.

    It is all a process and we learn and get better every day. Or we fall off of the path and eventually we learn from those missteps.

    MissM, sounds like you are a foody. Me too. It is a blessing and a curse. In reading Weight Loss Apocalypse, one thing I was really wondering is where the enjoyment of food balances in on this whole deal. If we are to confront our eating habits, are we to confront the pleasure we take in food? Is it good or bad to love food? I don't know the answer. I am sure we need to find balance somewhere. I don't think it is realistic for us to disconnect from the pleasure and enjoyment of food to simply view it as fuel. That said, I love to cook and am looking forward to opening up my menu.

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