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    considering daylight savings time changes, I have been getting up earlier than usual. I wonder if that has any effect on weight readings? For instance, this morning I got out of bed to use the restroom around 5am. I weighed 240.4lbs. Went back to bed. Woke up at 8:30, used restroom again and now I weigh 239. Also the last couple of nights my weight has been the same as the morning readings. The rest of this round that has not been the case. I have been 2-3 lbs over my morning readings. It is really weird how timing plays a factor.

    This week it seemed to difficult to break past 245. Last couple of years, when I would cut out carbs and eat clean, my weight would always go down to around 245. Maybe that was my body's set plateau. Now that I have passed it, things are getting easier and the weight is now coming off quicker.

    That said it is obvious that we should not stress over the weight numbers as much. It is just a number. What is important that we are losing weight. Don't stress so much on hitting a specific number. The inches are mostly important. I am still kicking myself for not taking measurements but just by appearance and how clothes fit the inches lost is very good.

    This diet works. I never doubted that but perhaps somebody reading this is still on the fence. But here is the important thing to consider. This diet should not be your lifestyle. It is an extreme measure. It is an important first step to quickly lose a bunch of weight and break yourself of some bad eating habits and harmful food addictions. It is basically a hard reboot to your system. A means to an end. But it is not THE end, just the beginning.

    What happens when you hit P4 and beyond is the most important thing. Do you do like many people who lose weight and declare "mission accomplished" and buy a big fat cheeseburger to celebrate? Or do you take the opportunity to embrace a healthy lifestyle moving forward? Same thing with people who lose weight after surgery. They eventually gain the weight back because they return to old habits.

    More on that subject later on.

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    Good observations.

    Anyone that thinks they can finish the protocol and go back to eating the same way they did before and not regain is deluded. Its only logical that something you were doing got you to the place you needed to commit to the protocol. We can learn so much about how our bodies process the foods we eat through the elimination diet of phase two, and by being mindful of reactions to things we re-introduce in P3. P3 is super-critical to long-term success from that standpoint. Its the start of building your maintenance strategy.

    I'm happy to see you are having continued success. *thumbs up*
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    Yesterday at 240 and this morning, 239.2. I am happy where I am for this round so tomorrow will be my last dose day so tomorrow's weight will be my official LIW and 23rd day of VLCD. Two more days of VLCD then begin P3 on Friday. Something in my body is telling me it is time to move on to P3. I am very please with the results. My plan is to really hit the gym and tennis courts in P3 to tone up and will work towards losing 1-2lbs per week during P4. Would like to drop another 20lbs and don't mind doing it slowly now that I have lopped off the first 24lbs or so and several inches of fat so quickly. But first, I will stabilize these losses inn P3. Very excited to usher in a more normal diet clear of some bad food addictions and eating habits.

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    Congrats
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    I played a very hard tennis match Monday night. Was very tight in my back afterwards so i know there was some inflammation in my back as well as my legs. So with that said, I am really not trusting yesterday's weight as a solid LIW. I actually gained .2lbs to 239.4. This morning, I weighed 237.8, which makes much more sense. I begin P3 tomorrow. I am going to use 238 as my LIW and do my best to stabilize there. if I stabilize around 239, so be it. Just want to stay below or no more than 240. Very happy to see the end of the VLCD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonblack View Post
    I played a very hard tennis match Monday night. Was very tight in my back afterwards so i know there was some inflammation in my back as well as my legs. So with that said, I am really not trusting yesterday's weight as a solid LIW. I actually gained .2lbs to 239.4. This morning, I weighed 237.8, which makes much more sense. I begin P3 tomorrow. I am going to use 238 as my LIW and do my best to stabilize there. if I stabilize around 239, so be it. Just want to stay below or no more than 240. Very happy to see the end of the VLCD.
    You had a great round congrats I love P3 I am a slow loser and not much to lose I am only on VLCD 9 down 6 lbs no hunger at all
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    Interesting transition to P3 so far. Played tennis Thursday night. Had a grilled chicken salad with chunked avocado before the match. Chipotle vinegrette. Very good. Went a little heavy on protein for lunch(grilled shrimp. Gained.2 lbs. first full fledged P3 day yesterday. 4 eggs scrambled in bacon fat for breakfast. Chicken wings for lunch with a side salad, blue cheese dressing for lunch. Grilled filet of salmon with salad, blue cheese dressing for dinner. 2 glasses of Pinot Grigio. Lost two pounds this morning. imam guessing that is just a rebound from Thursday's tennis.

    Played tennis for 3 hours straight this morning. Fatty lunch of ribs, brisket and avocado with a glass of red wine. No sugars, no sauces and no carbs. The BBQ joint keeps it simple, Texas style with a salt and pepper rub.

    Fish and salad for dinner. Need to make sure I am getting the correct amount of protiens and fats. Love phase 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonblack View Post
    Interesting transition to P3 so far. Played tennis Thursday night. Had a grilled chicken salad with chunked avocado before the match. Chipotle vinegrette. Very good. Went a little heavy on protein for lunch(grilled shrimp. Gained.2 lbs. first full fledged P3 day yesterday. 4 eggs scrambled in bacon fat for breakfast. Chicken wings for lunch with a side salad, blue cheese dressing for lunch. Grilled filet of salmon with salad, blue cheese dressing for dinner. 2 glasses of Pinot Grigio. Lost two pounds this morning. imam guessing that is just a rebound from Thursday's tennis.

    Played tennis for 3 hours straight this morning. Fatty lunch of ribs, brisket and avocado with a glass of red wine. No sugars, no sauces and no carbs. The BBQ joint keeps it simple, Texas style with a salt and pepper rub.

    Fish and salad for dinner. Need to make sure I am getting the correct amount of protiens and fats. Love phase 3
    What do you use to determine correct amount of protein and fats ? I just eat fat protein veggies and my two fruits a day eating to hunger, So curious what u use to determine ratio
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    Checking in after the first 2 weeks or so of phase 3. I really put myself in a difficult position. I have been traveling the last two weeks with a lot of business dinners which always include wine. I spent the last 3 days at a convention. A lot of entertaining clients and a lot of hard partying with some very late nights. I for the most part would drink red wine with some dry whites mixed in (Pinot Grigio>Chardonnay (today's chardonnays have too much residual sugar and are best to avoid). The last 3 nights at the convention saw a fair amount of bourbon mixed in. Today I am right at 240 so I am right at 2 pounds over.

    The few days I have been home I have avoided alcohol, upped the water and have chosen seafood over beef or chicken and the weight comes off quickly. Now that I will be home the next couple of weeks I will have to guard against losing weight and keeping my weight around 236-238.

    Travel notes: traveling on P3 isn't easy but it is manageable. I did not bring my own scale trying to keep my luggage weight under the limit. So when I would get into town I would head to Walmart and buy a digital bath scale. One can be had for under$20 so no problem on that. My first scale was reading well below my home scale, so I would monitor daily gains and losses from the previous day instead of worrying about the number and trying to guess where I was in relation to LIW. Restaurant meals are no not a big worry but you have to be careful. Especially with sauces. I had a cup of cream spinach soup and it was full of flour to thicken. Careful with all sauces because the are generally thickened with starch. I have no problems with eggs so breakfast is a breeze. Mornings after heavy steak dinners usually yield a gain. Mornings after seafood bring about a loss.

    and to answer Rose's question, I do not measure protein and fats. I eat to satisfaction. I am not pigging out but I am not shortchanging myself either. Eating plenty salads with avocados. Not going crazy on dairy but I am not avoiding either. Overall, I don't crave foods and eating is subsistence over pleasure.

    One thing I love about the protocol is that it breaks you of carb addictions. I absolutely have no desire to eat bread, crackers, popcorn, pasta or even tortilla chips (my weakness). At this point my main vice is red wine. Just need to keep tabs on that.

    Now that I am home for the rest of P3 I can be way more consistent and on task. When I get back into P4, my plan is to start losing weight in a more deliberate manner. Not sure which path I will follow but will be some sort of low carb deal.

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    Thanks for sharing your journey!

    Something I am wondering about (back after 7 years after losing more weight and maintaining weight loss with keto all that time until I let myself go) is that when using something else than HCG after a round, what happens to the LDWand the set point? When establishing that set point after P2 and using steak days when going over (which I only had to do once), if losing more weight in a different way after that, I wonder if the body does not always want to go back to the LDW. Then once there, things are so haywire most likely that gaining beyond is fairly expectable. I am now wondering if I shouldn't use HCG to get to goal, and use keto to remain there for better long time results.

    Also, when doing keto, basically staying P3, our bodies may never get used to maintaining weight loss while eating carbs. This is really tricky for me because I know my body on keto, and it has made me so healthy, but I also know that when I eat more carbs my body really has no clue and I just keep eating. I never feel full or satisfied. I am wondering if I should not try a solid healthy P4 and see what happens. I figure I can always go back to keto after that if it does not work. That is a lot more n=1 than I feel comfortable with perhaps though. Not sure. Maybe I will also post these pondering somewhere else for some expert input. Your post/journey just really made me think about this more.

    Fwiw, I weight lift/condition 3x week but have been sick with a head cold (am on P2D4 using Triumph as well) so haven't been to the gym yet. I am curious to see what happens on Monday!

    Good luck to you!

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    Great report wilsonblack. Sounds like you've got a handle on things.

    @Mairi: logical thoughts. I do think HCG give us the opportunity to create a new set point. But that setpoint is locked in by staying at for a long enough period of time. If another method gets you there, and you can stay at goal for long enough, then it's likely you can establish that new set point. But there are a lot of us who have failed miserably at keeping losses with other methods. So there might be something to that line of thought about losing to goal with HCG. That's what I did, and this is the first time ever that I haven't ballooned back up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post

    @Mairi: logical thoughts. I do think HCG give us the opportunity to create a new set point. But that setpoint is locked in by staying at for a long enough period of time. If another method gets you there, and you can stay at goal for long enough, then it's likely you can establish that new set point. But there are a lot of us who have failed miserably at keeping losses with other methods. So there might be something to that line of thought about losing to goal with HCG. That's what I did, and this is the first time ever that I haven't ballooned back up again.
    Thinking about this more: No other diet that I know of goes from eating certain kinds of foods, to adding more fat to more of the same foods, to slowly increasing the kinds of foods we add all the while watching the scale for jumps not bigger than 2 pounds. No other diet that I know of talks about a systematic setting of a set point as HCG does. Mmm.

    I wonder how hard it would be to create a poll to get some numbers!

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