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    Thank you for all the information. I am back home now and I have gained 4 pounds. So, since I have enough Hcg remaining in bottle, I am going to try and do 7 more days. I think the reason I gained is I didn’t have access to food when I was hungry, so I couldn’t eat right. We were with a group of people and did a lot of shopping and went to museums.
    My medications that I am taking for hypothyroidism is Cytomel, which I have stopped during this round per Dr. Simeonís protocol. I have also quit taking any vitamins and supplements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles View Post
    Deanna, I understand exactly where you are coming from. The more I read about P3/p4, the more I realize how very important it is. But we'll be ok. I know you are going out of town this weekend, but you can eat eggs, bacon or sausage--a big burger or chicken with a great salad for lunch, and maybe protein and veggies roasted and salad for dinner. I think the key is not to eat too little, but eat the right things. Enjoy your weekend! Which is possible on p3, very livable. I took my last dose before my planned interruption this morning. Landed at 85. Funny in this last 3 weigh-ins, I've lost -2.8 lbs. Really good losses, I keep thinking, should I just mix more and keep going, but I am ready for a break, and think it might help me prepare for a lasting p3 after I finish this interruption. So tomorrow, I will be vlc without hcg, but I need to remember, it is still there, I'm just not injecting right now. By Friday I'll be joining you, eating a little more with a little bit of fats. and for Valentine's Day will be able to have a steak and salad! I have had so little beef this round, twice I think. I miss it. You and DH have a fun, safe trip.
    I am going to go back on HCG for another 7 days and try and lose the 4 pounds I gained. When will you be stopping your planned interruption?
    My medications that I am taking for hypothyroidism is Cytomel, which I have stopped during this round per Dr. Simeonís protocol. I have also quit taking any vitamins and supplements.


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    Good morning Deanna! Sounds like you had a nice getaway, we all need that sometimes. And the 4 lbs will prob go down almost immediately. Let us know how that goes. This is only my 4th day of PI. We had our great Valentine's Dinner out. and I am exactly at last dose weight. So the PI is going great. I plan on staying on PI for approximately 2 weeks. I didn't do a complete round of hcg, so I can go back--but when I go back I am going to go back on homeopathic hcg for those days. I know I couldn't do more than 10 days on injections (so don't want to mix for that) but I've read a lot that you don't develop immunity so easily to homeopathic.....? So (if Leez is reading, she may want to jump in here) I'm thinking I could finish a 40 day round, and also maybe even a few extra days, 4/5 since I'm on homeopathic, to finish the round. I think (with skip days on injections) I believe it will take me to 44 days total. Just a touch over, but 14 of those days would be homeopathic. (2 weeks after PI is over).
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    So, in answer to your question, this PI likely won't be over until Saturday or Sunday, February 27 or 28. But it is going great so far. I'm kinda looking at it as a trial run for the bonefide P3 I am planning before long. Yesterday I ate really well, prob had 1700 calories, and this morning weigh-in was exactly as last dose weight. It had gone down .4 from last dose, but I ate really well yesterday. It's such an amazing therapy if we can just trust the process. Ooops, just remembered, I did have 1 piece of chocolate from a small heart my DH gave me--I only like the carmels, anyway. But I have otherwise kept to no sugar and no starch. I love bread, but I turned it down last nite. So good luck as you start P2 again. Please post to let us know how that is going. Hope your hunger issues are resolved with dosing now. I worry a little about going to homeopathic after the great, absolutely no hunger issues with injections., but others say they do well with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles
    I know I couldn't do more than 10 days on injections (so don't want to mix for that) but I've read a lot that you don't develop immunity so easily to homeopathic.....? So (if Leez is reading, she may want to jump in here) I'm thinking I could finish a 40 day round, and also maybe even a few extra days, 4/5 since I'm on homeopathic, to finish the round. I think (with skip days on injections) I believe it will take me to 44 days total. Just a touch over, but 14 of those days would be homeopathic. (2 weeks after PI is over).
    Correct that homeopathic hhcg doesn't create immunity.

    Incorrect that you can extend your round past 40 dose days. (Remember skip days are not counted) Even though the immunity issue is moot, there are other considerations for stopping at 40 doses related to the stress it places on your body. Thats important, because this is a hormone and healing protocol, and it works best longterm when you follow all the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess911 View Post
    Deanna Jane,

    I feel your pain. I was working with a local HCG coach who initially had me do 80 injections without a break. She wanted me to keep going and I refused. I told her that I researched the HCG protocol and their is no literature that supports her claim. I am a nurse and I believe in evidence based practice. So I am stopping for the next month to six weeks and then restarting. I did loose 40 lbs during the first 80 days. I have another 40 to go. Hence, why I am now following the HCG protocol as intended. I am becoming my own coach. Sad that I had spent a great deal of additional money to have a coach. However, this site is wonderful for receiving sound advice and support. I am glad I registered. Safe journey. I look forward to seeing more posts from you as you continue to be successful!! Take care, Tess
    Ugh! So many people have NO CLUE about proper hcg protocol! Including most all doctors who prescribe it and recommend too high of a starting dose! I had that happen to me the first round I ever did. It was through a doctor and she me at 200 dose which was too high. I learned from this forum about adjusting and when I told her about adjusting the dose, she scolded me! Never used her again. IMHO you really don’t need a coach. You can get all the support you need here, but I know how intimidating it is the first time you do it. So sorry you had to go through that and glad you did your own research!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tess911 View Post
    Deanna Jane,

    I feel your pain. I was working with a local HCG coach who initially had me do 80 injections without a break. She wanted me to keep going and I refused. I told her that I researched the HCG protocol and their is no literature that supports her claim. I am a nurse and I believe in evidence based practice. So I am stopping for the next month to six weeks and then restarting. I did loose 40 lbs during the first 80 days. I have another 40 to go. Hence, why I am now following the HCG protocol as intended. I am becoming my own coach. Sad that I had spent a great deal of additional money to have a coach. However, this site is wonderful for receiving sound advice and support. I am glad I registered. Safe journey. I look forward to seeing more posts from you as you continue to be successful!! Take care, Tess
    Thank you Tess and the words of encouragement! I hope your journey will be successful too. Yes, it is so very important to follow the protocol exactly. I hope and pray that immunity doesnít set in before I am able to lose a total of 40 lbs.
    My medications that I am taking for hypothyroidism is Cytomel, which I have stopped during this round per Dr. Simeonís protocol. I have also quit taking any vitamins and supplements.


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    Good Morning Deanna! It's Wednesday morning, so I guess you are back from your Valentine's weekend for a couple of days now. Wondering how the back to P2 after Planned Interruption is going. I seem to remember you said you picked up about 4 lbs on your getaway--doesn't sound that bad to me--about what I gain on a couple days of loading. Has p2 helped with that already? Not trying to be nosey, if you don't want to share, but I'm wondering for myself.

    I'm doing pretty good on my PI--last night I fixed us burgers on GF grill, and these cabbage steak slices where you sprinkle olive oil and spices on them and roast in oven for 40 minutes. The receipe looked pretty, but didn't taste quite as good as I expected. Maybe I didn't drizzle enough olive oil. Oh, and sprinkles of parmesan cheese. I was worried about the burger which was not low fat ground beef. It was so good, especially as I sliced onions really thin and grilled on top. I was preparing for a gain this morning, and there was one, but only up .2. So I don't think ground beef is a sensitivity for me. That burger was so tasty This is only Day 6 of my PI. I feel like it is going good , I think I'm stablizing at 1 lb under last dose weight. And I have not been holding back on food, fats. I purchase that Duke's mayo--if anyone reading has it near them, it is really good and has no added sugar like a lot of mayos and salad dressings. I think I learned about Duke's years ago on my last hcg rounds. Back then it was more difficult to find--now everyone has it. And this morning I had 3 pieces of sausage, which I don't believe has added sugar either--it's a brand I haven't purchased before (not the best, it's kind of bland) and a fried egg--so I'm eating well. When you go back to your P3 eating, Deanna, or anyone--I really believe you have to fight the urge to keep dieting p2, and you won't gain like you're afraid you will. I'm doing a 14 day Planned Interruption, some people wouldn't load after, but I plan on it. Not a crazy load, but I am still dying for a piece of pizza, and I feel I could indulge then and not be off protocol. Do it while going back to p2. I know a lot of people will discourage this, but its what I'm gonna do. I'm staying completely on P3 during this interruption, so far--and some will go a little crazy during the interruption. Then finish a good round, and go back to full 3 week P3, p4. Like you Deanna, I would love to lose another 10 lbs when I finish up round, but I'm not sure that will happen. I believe we are around same weight and would be at same phase of protocol, if not for my PI being much longer.

    Keep us posted on how you are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles View Post
    Good Morning Deanna! It's Wednesday morning, so I guess you are back from your Valentine's weekend for a couple of days now. Wondering how the back to P2 after Planned Interruption is going. I seem to remember you said you picked up about 4 lbs on your getaway--doesn't sound that bad to me--about what I gain on a couple days of loading. Has p2 helped with that already? Not trying to be nosey, if you don't want to share, but I'm wondering for myself.
    Well I have struggled with dosage all week as usual. I have lowered down to 75 iu’s and it seems to be working. I am down to 189 lbs. from 191 lbs. if you remember I was 187 lbs before the interruption. I am going to ride it out until Friday and that will be my last injection day. Then on Monday I will start PH 3. It sounds like you are doing good so far on your interruption. You are going to succeed at this and hopefully I will too!
    My medications that I am taking for hypothyroidism is Cytomel, which I have stopped during this round per Dr. Simeonís protocol. I have also quit taking any vitamins and supplements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna Jane View Post
    Well I have struggled with dosage all week as usual. I have lowered down to 75 iuís and it seems to be working. I am down to 189 lbs. from 191 lbs. if you remember I was 187 lbs before the interruption. I am going to ride it out until Friday and that will be my last injection day. Then on Monday I will start PH 3. It sounds like you are doing good so far on your interruption. You are going to succeed at this and hopefully I will too!
    Deanna, so good to hear from you this morning! So you have dropped 21-23 lbs since beginning? That is a great round. I'm basically right where you are. I've lost 22 lbs. It seems longer because my PI is running long, compared to many who do a PI. The PI has really been like P3 for me. I have not gone off P3 foods even once yet. But I will, when I load next Friday and Saturday, we may go out to eat, and I am going to have a few P4 foods before I buckle down to finish, and then do proper P3 and P4.

    You're gonna feel like you are in HOG HEAVEN on P3. The food options are so tasty--just salad with dressing, even. The first 2 days I may not have eaten a lot, because I still wasn't very hungry--but from get go I added fats to my eating. I sincerely believe now, here on Day 9 of PI/P3, I am eating 1500-1700 calories a day, if not more. The only dessert I have had was a Fage 5% fat yogurt, with whipped cream cheese added, a tsp of cocoa powder and artificial sweetener--think we are not supposed to have Splenda, but I have always used it and stevia as well. It is very rich, but completely p3 ok. And today, I already have a roast with mushrooms, fire-roasted tomatoes, onions, and a few carrots (which I will not eat--save them for my DH) already prepared, so we can nosh on it for lunch and dinner. The food is so good. But I'm trying to do what Leez says, listen to hunger cues, not to eat to completely filled, but satisfied. And eating this way, I have held weight to below last dose weight. Haven't gone above last dose weight yet. I actually went to over a lb under Last Dose Weight, but it is now settling right under. I'm happy--I have deliberately tried not to under eat, or feel like I was "dieting" in any way. Mentally it has not been difficult, tho I have to admit for some reason yesterday felt a little challenging. I don't know why, I felt like I wanted to eat, when I wasn't even hungry yesterday. I had to keep reminding myself to eat when hungry, not when bored. That was first day I fought that. Today feels better.

    You're almost there, Deanna, to P3--hope you manage to eke out a little extra, but if not, you've had a good round, I'd say! Especially with all your dosing issues at first. Good for you! Do You plan on doing another round later? Keep us posted and have a great Saturday!

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    Deanna, your dosing issues are still puzzling to me. IM doses are usually spot on at 125iu for most people. I've not seen anyone else needing that low a dose on IM.

    Doses under 80iu are usually not enough for the HCG to work properly. I am surprised that you don't have hunger. If you find you start having hunger at this dose, do not lower it further. It would be better to transition off into P3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Deanna, your dosing issues are still puzzling to me. IM doses are usually spot on at 125iu for most people. I've not seen anyone else needing that low a dose on IM.

    Doses under 80iu are usually not enough for the HCG to work properly. I am surprised that you don't have hunger. If you find you start having hunger at this dose, do not lower it further. It would be better to transition off into P3.
    Yes, you are correct Leez. I had to come off of the P2 because the hunger was there. I started P3 on Tuesday which was yesterday. my weight this morning is 192 pounds. So my total weight loss is 16 pounds. I will keep everybody posted because I need to be accountable for phase 3. I want to do exactly what Dr. Simmons protocol tells us to do. I do not want to see failure. I look forward to starting back in May like you said. So I can lose another 20 pounds.

    Thank you for your support it is greatly appreciated! I would not be able to succeed without your guidance. Have a great day!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbles
    You're gonna feel like you are in HOG HEAVEN on P3. The food options are so tasty--just salad with dressing, even. The first 2 days I may not have eaten a lot, because I still wasn't very hungry--but from get go I added fats to my eating. I sincerely believe now, here on Day 9 of PI/P3, I am eating 1500-1700 calories a day, if not more. The only dessert I have had was a Fage 5% fat yogurt, with whipped cream cheese added, a tsp of cocoa powder and artificial sweetener--think we are not supposed to have Splenda, but I have always used it and stevia as well. It is very rich, but completely p3 ok.
    You're almost there, Deanna, to P3--hope you manage to eke out a little extra, but if not, you've had a good round, I'd say! Especially with all your dosing issues at first. Good for you! Do You plan on doing another round later? Keep us posted and have a great Saturday!
    Congrats on your 22 pound lost Dubbles! That Fage 5% fat yogurt with whipped cream cheese add it in a teaspoon of cocoa powder sounds delicious. I need to make a run to the grocery store and buy the ingredients for this. As you may have already read my reply to Leez, I have started P3 because of hunger issues. Today will be my second day of P3. I have a total of 16 pound loss (208-192=16) this morning. I am glad everything is going good for you and I am glad we are doing this together, because having your support is much needed!

    Have a great day!

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