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    Today is Day 6 VLC for me, and I"m down again, 0.6 overnight. Total of 8 pounds gone. This is starting out to be my best round ever. My protein is supposed to be limited to 735 calories (I started at 209, which is why the calories are so high). Yesterday it was 738 total calories, 30 grams fat, 26 grams total carbs (no fiber subtracted), and 92 grams protein. Counting only protein, it was 605 calories. On a scale of 1 - 10, my hunger has been at most a 2, and mostly non-existent. I'm doing Rx drops mixed with B12 and colloidal silver, and my dose is 0.5 cc/ml twice per day, which works out to be 500 IU per day. In past rounds, my dose was not even half that, which might explain why I was always hungry in past rounds and not at all in this round. Whenever I got hungry in past rounds, my instinct (not to mention a lot of people on the forums ... not this one) told me to DEcrease the dose. Turns out I should have been INcreasing it.

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    Hi BW, are you using drops or injections?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpd View Post
    Good job! Im on P3 now and doin* Keto, continuin* to lose! Down another 2 pounds after losing 15.6 on HCG 2.0....Hcg 2.0 411 Information


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    mpd... I can't tell you what to do, but in both OP and HCG 2.0 the phase 3 is a very important part of the process, and to stabilize properly it really isn't good to try and lose weight in P3, but to maintain that 2lb window.
    I only say this, because I hate to see people fail in this and wish everyone great success in stabilizing.

    I think a couple lbs is okay, but really wouldn't try to lose more than that in this phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BawdyWench View Post
    Today is Day 6 VLC for me, and I"m down again, 0.6 overnight. Total of 8 pounds gone. This is starting out to be my best round ever. My protein is supposed to be limited to 735 calories (I started at 209, which is why the calories are so high). Yesterday it was 738 total calories, 30 grams fat, 26 grams total carbs (no fiber subtracted), and 92 grams protein. Counting only protein, it was 605 calories. On a scale of 1 - 10, my hunger has been at most a 2, and mostly non-existent. I'm doing Rx drops mixed with B12 and colloidal silver, and my dose is 0.5 cc/ml twice per day, which works out to be 500 IU per day. In past rounds, my dose was not even half that, which might explain why I was always hungry in past rounds and not at all in this round. Whenever I got hungry in past rounds, my instinct (not to mention a lot of people on the forums ... not this one) told me to DEcrease the dose. Turns out I should have been INcreasing it.
    FANTASTIC! This is one of the best losses I've seen on hCG, besides the one I saw an hour ago in the FB 2.0 group; this gal lost 14# in 19 days with a four day stall! What?!

    2.0 likes you BW!
    Start 6/3/2011 @ 165.25'7'' - 49 yo
    R1=31.6# lost; .548#/day average loss, 7/28/2011 LIW=137.6
    R2=12.4# lost; .4133/day average loss; 11/16/2011 LIW=126
    R3=13# lost; .464/day average loss; 3/16/2013 LIW=126 - age 51
    R4 commencing 12/31/2017...32-day round; lost 14#... age 55



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    Yes, 2.0 (or my version of it) does seem to like me. I mixed Rx hcg with B12 and colloidal silver, and I'm doing 0.5 cc/ml drops under the tongue twice a day.

    Haven't eaten yet today. I was getting pretty rumbly, but got busy with something and forgot all about eating. It's 11:30 now, so I think I'll have some leftover sirloin tips and maybe a spinach salad with nonfat dressing. Not sure what's for dinner tonight. It will be fish ... if hubby remembers to buy it at the grocery store today!

    PS: I was down again this morning, for a total of 8.8 pounds lost. Today is Day 7 VLC.

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    3.8# loss in five days, so not nearly as successful as some attempting 2.0, so I asked this question in the 2.0 FB group for support and recipes:

    • During P2, is it correct to only pay attention to the PROTEIN calories of a given protein source (P/FC >3) and ignore the fat gr, etc?
    Ex: Tuna=116

    • Likewise only pay attention/account for the carb count of a given vegetable?
    Ex: Celery=3

    • Calories from MCT oil , coconut oil, or olive oil do NOT need to be counted--correct or not?

    Am I confused?
    Start 6/3/2011 @ 165.25'7'' - 49 yo
    R1=31.6# lost; .548#/day average loss, 7/28/2011 LIW=137.6
    R2=12.4# lost; .4133/day average loss; 11/16/2011 LIW=126
    R3=13# lost; .464/day average loss; 3/16/2013 LIW=126 - age 51
    R4 commencing 12/31/2017...32-day round; lost 14#... age 55



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    I never used any of the oils in P2
    I did a modified version of HCG 2.o
    I basically upped my protein according to the BMR calculator multiplied by .4

    I mostly ate from the OP , except for I did have pork chops, tuna broccoli, , once in awhile
    For the most part I ate chicken , added whey protein to my coffee in the morning and ate turkey jerky (zero carb) before bed.
    In the chart you have to keep total carbs under 30, so you may have to adjust portions. If kept at 30 and below then no need to count calories from veggies.

    Also the fat from your protein is ignored because it's a by product of the protein.

    Not sure if any of that answers your questions or not.

    Do you have his book?

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    You do not count the calories in the MCT oil, and you don't count vegetable calories, only track the carbs to keep below 30 g per day.

    For meats, he suggests using the PFC calculation and choose those with the highest scores, the idea being you get the most protein and larger portion sizes with those. Example, beef in the US is relatively fatty, so it scores poorly compared to tuna.

    I looked this up in his book

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carry2010 View Post
    After a big fat zero after VLCD3, where I got brave to add the oil, I learn from the 2.0 FB group this:

    "Don’t use the mct or coconut oil unless you count the calories. There are a lot of us on this page who can’t use it without counting it because it stalls us."

    I ask, I thought about your reply a little longer.... do you mean count the calories that are alotted for protein or for the total calories (that account for protein calories + carb calories? Do you know if a chapter in the book covers this?Thanks!

    "Joni Lin it’s not in the book and neither is the mct oil allowance. Dr z updated that in a blog post. If you use the oil subtract if from your calories and carb count like any other food."

    I used less oil today than yesterday, but it sounds like I'll have little to no loss as a result. ��

    Grrrrrr. NOW I read this. It was probably spelled out here. I want to find the aforementioned blog....

    So I post again for the purposes of clarification:

    During P2, is it correct to only pay attention to the PROTEIN calories of a given protein source (P/FC >3) and ignore the fat gr, etc? Ex: Tuna=116

    Likewise only pay attention/account for the carb count of a given vegetable? Ex: Celery=3

    Calories from MCT oil , coconut oil, or olive oil do NOT need to be counted--correct or not?
    Please advise.

    Admin replies: "Yes only calculate pfc of protein choices. Yes to carb count of veggies Olive oil is not approved and you are allowed 2 free tbsp of mct or coconut oil you don’t have to count but a word of caution if I was you I would count the calories of mct or coconut oil you use. It makes quite a few people stall if they don’t count them."

    Then I realize my misunderstanding and said: Thanks, Kylene. I must stop reading too late!
    LOL-look how I mistakenly thought OO was part of acceptable oil to use, besides MCT oil. ��What an idiot, I am.

    So deduct MCT oil calories from the total calories? How does that jive with no more than 30gr carbs?

    Then I thought some more....... Wait,... you said to calculate PFC of protein choices. I've been calculating calories from protein choices....while ensuring the protein choices PFC is over 3.... actually the higher, the better.

    Awaiting their reply. I'm sorry, but it's not clear enough--still.Screenshot_20180107-182846.jpg
    Start 6/3/2011 @ 165.25'7'' - 49 yo
    R1=31.6# lost; .548#/day average loss, 7/28/2011 LIW=137.6
    R2=12.4# lost; .4133/day average loss; 11/16/2011 LIW=126
    R3=13# lost; .464/day average loss; 3/16/2013 LIW=126 - age 51
    R4 commencing 12/31/2017...32-day round; lost 14#... age 55



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    Quote Originally Posted by Carry2010 View Post
    So I post again for the purposes of clarification:

    During P2, is it correct to only pay attention to the PROTEIN calories of a given protein source (P/FC >3) and ignore the fat gr, etc? Ex: Tuna=116

    Likewise only pay attention/account for the carb count of a given vegetable? Ex: Celery=3

    Calories from MCT oil , coconut oil, or olive oil do NOT need to be counted--correct or not?
    Please advise.

    Admin replies: "Yes only calculate pfc of protein choices. Yes to carb count of veggies Olive oil is not approved and you are allowed 2 free tbsp of mct or coconut oil you donít have to count but a word of caution if I was you I would count the calories of mct or coconut oil you use. It makes quite a few people stall if they donít count them."

    Then I realize my misunderstanding and said: Thanks, Kylene. I must stop reading too late!
    LOL-look how I mistakenly thought OO was part of acceptable oil to use, besides MCT oil. ��What an idiot, I am.

    So deduct MCT oil calories from the total calories? How does that jive with no more than 30gr carbs?

    Then I thought some more....... Wait,... you said to calculate PFC of protein choices. I've been calculating calories from protein choices....while ensuring the protein choices PFC is over 3.... actually the higher, the better.

    Awaiting their reply. I'm sorry, but it's not clear enough--still.Screenshot_20180107-182846.jpg
    Admin reply: "Here is 2.0 in a two word sentence. Do not go over your total calories or total 30 carbs. Only eat protein with a PFC of 3 or higher and you donít need to worry about fat because thatís what the PFC calculation does for you is make sure you arenít eating too much."

    Because I am dense, I still ask: So MCT oil calories are included in total calories?
    This is what I'm still trying to find out so 2.0 protocol is done properly.

    BTW, even though I messed up the one day with 1 TBL of olive oil, and no loss the next Day, BUT I looked at previous rounds (3) and I had the same zero either on the same day or very close to it. AND losses so far are a little better than OP. Yay!

    Still, I hope to do this right... and to be able to share with others that misunderstand 2.0. Thanks for understanding.

    Whew! I've tried more than once to get A DIRECT ANSWER!
    Start 6/3/2011 @ 165.25'7'' - 49 yo
    R1=31.6# lost; .548#/day average loss, 7/28/2011 LIW=137.6
    R2=12.4# lost; .4133/day average loss; 11/16/2011 LIW=126
    R3=13# lost; .464/day average loss; 3/16/2013 LIW=126 - age 51
    R4 commencing 12/31/2017...32-day round; lost 14#... age 55



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    Quote Originally Posted by Carry2010 View Post
    So I post again for the purposes of clarification:

    During P2, is it correct to only pay attention to the PROTEIN calories of a given protein source (P/FC >3) and ignore the fat gr, etc? Ex: Tuna=116

    Likewise only pay attention/account for the carb count of a given vegetable? Ex: Celery=3

    Calories from MCT oil , coconut oil, or olive oil do NOT need to be counted--correct or not?
    Please advise.

    Admin replies: "Yes only calculate pfc of protein choices. Yes to carb count of veggies Olive oil is not approved and you are allowed 2 free tbsp of mct or coconut oil you don’t have to count but a word of caution if I was you I would count the calories of mct or coconut oil you use. It makes quite a few people stall if they don’t count them."

    Then I realize my misunderstanding and said: Thanks, Kylene. I must stop reading too late!
    LOL-look how I mistakenly thought OO was part of acceptable oil to use, besides MCT oil. ��What an idiot, I am.

    So deduct MCT oil calories from the total calories? How does that jive with no more than 30gr carbs?

    Then I thought some more....... Wait,... you said to calculate PFC of protein choices. I've been calculating calories from protein choices....while ensuring the protein choices PFC is over 3.... actually the higher, the better.

    Awaiting their reply. I'm sorry, but it's not clear enough--still.Screenshot_20180107-182846.jpg
    A clear reply, yet it looks like they didn't see my >Doh!< comment/confession about the mistaken idea about olive oil.

    Admin: "Joni Lin I would subtract the mct oil calories from your daily total. Olive oil is not preferred on 2.0 because it is not a medium chain tryglyceride fat. The MCT oil and coconut oils have been proven to fuel ketosis."
    Start 6/3/2011 @ 165.25'7'' - 49 yo
    R1=31.6# lost; .548#/day average loss, 7/28/2011 LIW=137.6
    R2=12.4# lost; .4133/day average loss; 11/16/2011 LIW=126
    R3=13# lost; .464/day average loss; 3/16/2013 LIW=126 - age 51
    R4 commencing 12/31/2017...32-day round; lost 14#... age 55



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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayk View Post
    I never used any of the oils in P2
    I did a modified version of HCG 2.o
    I basically upped my protein according to the BMR calculator multiplied by .4

    I mostly ate from the OP , except for I did have pork chops, tuna broccoli, , once in awhile
    For the most part I ate chicken , added whey protein to my coffee in the morning and ate turkey jerky (zero carb) before bed.
    In the chart you have to keep total carbs under 30, so you may have to adjust portions. If kept at 30 and below then no need to count calories from veggies.

    Also the fat from your protein is ignored because it's a by product of the protein.

    Not sure if any of that answers your questions or not.

    Do you have his book?

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    Thanks, I do have the book on Kindle.

    I did get an answer from the FB group:

    Admin: "I would subtract the mct oil calories from your daily total. Olive oil is not preferred on 2.0 because it is not a medium chain tryglyceride fat. The MCT oil and coconut oils have been proven to fuel ketosis."

    Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
    Start 6/3/2011 @ 165.25'7'' - 49 yo
    R1=31.6# lost; .548#/day average loss, 7/28/2011 LIW=137.6
    R2=12.4# lost; .4133/day average loss; 11/16/2011 LIW=126
    R3=13# lost; .464/day average loss; 3/16/2013 LIW=126 - age 51
    R4 commencing 12/31/2017...32-day round; lost 14#... age 55



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