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    more than 40 injections - pros & cons?

    I'm in a long round with Rx injections, and doing the weekly skip day. This is my round that will get me to goal, and I'm pretty happy with how its going. However, I want to eek as much loss as possible out of it, so I've been thinking about something that would extend it a couple of days past the 40 injection limit specified by the protocol.

    The way I've arranged my skip days, I will have the last one and then only two more injections after that for a total of 44 VLC days before stopping injections. It seems strange to skip, then only have two more injections before stopping. My options, if sticking to protocol would be to move my skip day back a couple days or omit the last skip day and finish a day early.

    Instead, I'm wondering if it would do any harm to just add two more injections (for a total of 42) to the last week.

    I'm not sure I'm even up for it. I have 2 weeks to go, so by then I may feel like "I'm done with this---let's move on!" But if I'm still feeling good, it seems like it could be a good idea and might get me just a tiny bit further down.

    I found a thread from 2010 related to this question
    ANYONE GOING LONGER THAN 43 DAYS?!?!

    But it doesn't really address issues like effects on immunity or stabilization. (except to say that stabilization could be better because of the extended round created by skip days.) I don't think I'm really concerned about immunity from 2 extra days since my plan is for this to be my last round. And it seems it might even be better for stabilization, as long as you didn't have any signs like weakness or hunger during those couple of extra days.

    Thoughts? Experiences?
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    It's probably okay if you are SURE you won't be doing any more rounds. I've seen immunity issues crop up when I used to think there was really no such thing like people having to take less and less until they couldn't even take hcg any longer. But remember you should not lose more than 34 pounds in a round. Not sure how much you've lost this round.
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    I've only lost 16 pounds so far, so I'm in no danger of going over the limit. But my dose is at about 110iu right now, so immunity might be an issue for me in a future round anyway.

    How long would you say you would need between rounds to erase any immunity issues? Dr. Simeons seems to think a waiting period resets that, but could you create a permanent immunity? Although I will do everything in my power to not need another round ever, I suppose I would like to retain the option.
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    With as many rounds as you've done, you'd need to wait at least 9 months. A year would likely be better.
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    I waited 8 months after my short round this time, and almost 2 years before that. That sounds totally doable/reasonable. I think I won't worry about the immunity issue then. And its only 2 extra injections.

    I'm fairly sure with what I've learned this past year that I will be able to keep my progress for an extended time. FMD really helped me with that.
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    WOW Leez!!!! 16 lbs!!!! That's amazing!!! I'm doing the happy dance for you….yeahhh for you!!!!

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    Thanks Scotland. I'm amazed too, that I can be so close to goal and still lose like in any other round. This one has been even better than some. One of my long rounds only got me a 17 pound loss for the whole thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Thanks Scotland. I'm amazed too, that I can be so close to goal and still lose like in any other round. This one has been even better than some. One of my long rounds only got me a 17 pound loss for the whole thing.
    I am sooo STOKED for you!!! I followed all your posts on the FMD and was fascinated by it all……I was so happy when you'd get under 150 and then BAMMMM, you'd be 152 the next day and I was sad for you as I TOTALLY get it!!!!! So WOW, you must be like 134 now…..AMAZING!!! Once again, I'm super happy for you!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    I'm in a long round with Rx injections, and doing the weekly skip day. This is my round that will get me to goal, and I'm pretty happy with how its going. However, I want to eek as much loss as possible out of it, so I've been thinking about something that would extend it a couple of days past the 40 injection limit specified by the protocol.

    The way I've arranged my skip days, I will have the last one and then only two more injections after that for a total of 44 VLC days before stopping injections. It seems strange to skip, then only have two more injections before stopping. My options, if sticking to protocol would be to move my skip day back a couple days or omit the last skip day and finish a day early.

    Instead, I'm wondering if it would do any harm to just add two more injections (for a total of 42) to the last week.

    I'm not sure I'm even up for it. I have 2 weeks to go, so by then I may feel like "I'm done with this---let's move on!" But if I'm still feeling good, it seems like it could be a good idea and might get me just a tiny bit further down.

    I found a thread from 2010 related to this question
    ANYONE GOING LONGER THAN 43 DAYS?!?!

    But it doesn't really address issues like effects on immunity or stabilization. (except to say that stabilization could be better because of the extended round created by skip days.) I don't think I'm really concerned about immunity from 2 extra days since my plan is for this to be my last round. And it seems it might even be better for stabilization, as long as you didn't have any signs like weakness or hunger during those couple of extra days.

    Thoughts? Experiences?

    I've done research into this, and it can be done.

    It really depends on you. Your mental and physical condition, your motivation plays a key role. I've found cased of people going as long as 60, even 70+ days. But they were all very motivated individuals not stressed out about maintaining a consistent diet protocol. If you're prone to cheat, or are struggling with the food or caloric limitations, or just don't feel good, don't do it. We're not all robots, there are differences from individual to individual. Saying something is true for all people is never right.

    As to the "immunity" issue, I can find no good medical research into this. Most of what I read is anecdotal evidence, or people parroting what they've been told. It seems a lot people have a lot of "beliefs" based on this single study over 60 years ago. It's almost become dogma for some. There's nothing "magic" about HCG. As long as you feel good, are losing good fat weight, and are motivated, I say go longer. Your body would tell you it's time to quit.

    My coach has used up to 75 days for some people who need to lose a lot of weight. Of course I'm on an updated protocol, with more calories, more protein, and better supplementation.

    Here's another blogger addressing the issue of extended rounds: http://hcgchica.com/extended-hcg-die...g-diet-breaks/

    On the current protocol I'm on, I'm doing a 46 day round, and might even extend that if I haven't reached the body composition I want. I feel good, have lots of energy, and am losing a decent amount of fat.

    I intend for this to be my first and last round of HCG!

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    Qvox, if you know you'll never do another round, immunity issues certainly would not be all the important. But to someone like me who can't lose any other way, I really want to be sure I can shoot off this gun again if its ever needed.

    I'm winding down now. About a week to go. In the last two weeks, I've lost less than 2 pounds, so I figure I'm probably not going to make much progress, if any, these last days.

    So my current plan is just to move my final skip day up a couple and finish out the 40 injections with 4 injection days in a row. That will also leave the option open to add the 2 more injections if by some astounding stroke of favor I start losing the last few days. I can't imagine, at this point, having the resolve to go any beyond that. I'm weary of the whole thing and ready to move on to P3 now. But I'm committed to doing the entire 40 just for the best chance at good stabilization.

    I'm doing fine physically---no hunger, and feeling good. It does seem a shame to have throw out the rest of my HCG solution, but maybe not enough of a shame to entice me to keep going.

    So as it turns out, it will likely have to be someone else that provides the guinea pig services to see if adding the 2 extra injections create any adverse effects.
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    I'm confused on how you become immune to Hcg. Does this mean that a woman who's recently been pregnant won't do well taking this?

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    I don't think it means that. It means the low dose of HCG you are taking won't control your hunger anymore, and its stopped working to burn your fat stores.

    Dr. Simeons says that the way you know you've reached immunity is that you will suddenly become extremely hungry towards the end of the round. At that point you have to stop immediately or you will start damaging your metabolism.

    EDIT: o. Just realized I should up date this to say that even though I moved my skip day up so that I would have 4 injection days in a row before stopping at the 40th injection, I did end up added the two extra injection days because I was losing some each day at the end.

    It turned out to be a good decision, because I got another whole pound of loss out of the round, and I did not reach immunity. P3 is going pretty much better than it has since the first round, so I feel like it was a win-win for me.
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