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    Doctor told my fiance HCG is a scam

    My fiancé finished his first round of HCG about three weeks ago. He lost a total of 25 pounds. His first round was done through a clinic and they gave him phentermine. I told him I ordered HCG online for half the price he paid at the clinic (it hasn't arrived yet, so I have yet to start a round myself), and it did not come with phentermine. But I explained that in my research, hunger can be combatted by adjusting your dose and it appeared that phentermine was not necessary. He was adamant that he wanted the phentermine, and went to his general doctor to see if he would give it to him for his next round. His doctor immediately told him the HCG diet was a scam and only worked for as long as you did it and advised him to never do it again. I told my fiancé that I thought his doctor was full of crap, because I have seen too many people on this forum with wildly successful weight loss and maintenance. He agreed, and we both intend to continue with the diet.

    I was particularly struck by the fact that the doctor did, indeed, prescribe phentermine to my fiancé. In addition to topiramate. When my fiancé asked how long he would have to take this medication, the doctor indicated that he would have to take it on and off for the rest of his life while he struggled with his weight. WHAT?

    We got into a discussion about why his doctor would be so insistent that it's not a good idea, particularly when he went in with good results. One article I read theorized that doctors get their money from the pharmaceutical companies, and they all want us to be sick. They want us to have heart problems and diabetes and chronic pain because it makes them money. If we all lost weight, they would lose money. While this could be a wild conspiracy theory, I found it kind of cute that the HCG diet is a "scam" and "only works while you do it" but it's totally acceptable to take anorectics and anticonvulsants for the rest of your life and risk developing a drug dependency as an alternative.

    Basically, I was curious to see what input you all had about why some doctors are on board, and others are 100% not on board.

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    Most doctors really don't understand hcg. If the clinic gave your fiancé phentermine, they had him on too high of a dose like they always do. And he really shouldn't take the appetite suppressant because he needs to be hunger free from the hcg so he knows he's on the right dose. Otherwise, the doctor will be right and he'll easily regain the weight. The correct dose is CRUCIAL for long term success with hcg resting the hypothalamus correctly. His losses were actually on the low side for a man, likely caused by too high of a dose.
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    What dose of Topirimate did he put him on and did he start it yet? I take it for my migraines #1 he needs to be extremely careful when he starts it. It's not a drug you take casually, for most it's an extremely hard drug to adjust to. For the first week or so he's going to be totally wiped out. Like unconscious for a few hours after his dose wiped out. He's going to have to start out on a low dose and work his way up. Any Dr. that tries to start him out higher than 50 at a time is insane, do not do it. Even 50 will put most people flat on their butt, some start at 25 for a week then go to 50. The initial adjustment is the hardest, adjusting up from there isn't as rough but still needs to be done slowly with at least a week between step ups. He needs to be prepared for intense pain in his hands and feet for the first month or two also, like diabetic nerve pain (pins and needles) that hits randomly, this gets better as your body adjust to the meds but I'm on month 4 I think and it still hits from time to time, nothing like it was in the beginning though, that was brutal.

    Yes it helps with appetite suppression at first because you are out of it but nothing major after that at least not in the dose I'm on. I take 100 twice a day. I'm sure if you took high doses it may kill your appetite but you'd also be at a much higher risk for major side effects. This is not a drug you mess around with. I would never take it casually and I haven't lost a pound due to using it, I have had to diet for every pound I've lost and after the first couple of weeks have had the same appetite I've always had, I personally wouldn't recommend it to anyone for weightloss.

    As far as phentermine goes it does work well for appetite suppression but only temporarily my DH uses it off and on. It works for a couple of months and then stops working. You have to stop using it for a month or two, then you can go back on and it will work again, but you tend to regain during that time off if you don't stick to a strict diet. I tried a pill and it definitely works but it also elevates your bp. So keep a close eye on his BP if he starts taking it. After seeing how quickly it spiked my bp I decided it was not something I wanted prescribed.

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    I missed the Topamax part. That is NOT a drug to mess with. It's for epilepsy and the doctor had me try it for migraine. For 6 weeks it worked great, then the migraines started back up with a vengeance and not even Imitrex shots stopped it. I wouldn't take it for any amount of money.
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    poobears-- I believe they gave him 25 mg. The bottle said not to take it until bed time, so he hasn't taken it yet. He's working right now, but I texted him and told him what all you had to say. He hasn't said one way or another whether he intends to take it. I wish he wouldn't. I don't like long term prescription use--it makes me uneasy.

    grammy1952-- Hopefully I can get him on board about the dosage. He has a tendency, as I feel a lot of men do, to completely brush off what I say because he knows better. Every time I mention the dosage he just reiterates that he is taking what the clinic said to.

    Maybe I'll lose so much weight, I'll put his 25 pounds to shame and he'll come around to my side.

    Here's to hoping.

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    I hope he listens, honey! I see that dosing problem numerous times a day. This forum membership is over 70,000 worldwide so we've seen it all here and know just how lousy most of the clinics are.
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    For me Topomax (topirimate) is the only thing that has ever worked on my migraines. It's been a miracle drug for me. But it turns out my migraines are actually caused by seizure activity in my brain so it makes sense that it would take a seizure med to finally get them under control. They were to the point I couldn't safely drive far from home because they would suddenly hit and leave me stranded until I could see again so I had to finally go get meds for them. Not to mention the cluster migraines that were totally debilitating. Now I still get some of the effects I can feel a migraine is going on, one side of my face goes numb when one is going on usually, but I don't get the pain and it typically doesn't effect my vision to the point I can't drive.

    Hopefully it continues to work because it's literally given me my freedom back.

    25mg would be the proper dose to start on but honestly it's not going to do anything for his appetite other than psychologically. Any appetite suppression is going to come from the phentermine, not the topirimate at that dose. To get appetite suppression he'd need a lot higher dose and he'd have to split his dose between morning and night so it's in his system steady. I'd try to convince him to just use the phentermine if he just has to use something, the topirimate is just a risk that isn't worth taking.

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    poobears-- Holy wow! That sounds awful! I haven't had a migraine in years (knock on something), but I know how awful it is when they strike. I'm glad you were able to find something that works for you.

    See, I just have a lot of trust issues with doctors anyway. Mostly because they are HUMANS and are fully capable of HUMAN ERROR. My brother was dropped at birth by a doctor and had severe brain damage. He was in diapers and had to eat with a feeding tube his whole life. He also died at the hands of a negligent doctor that gave him medication that interacted with his seizure medication and caused him to die in his sleep. Try having that knowledge under your belt--makes you not want to go to a doctor at all.

    But, in my own life, I haven't had the best luck with doctors. I've had a doctor mistake a brown recluse bite for staph infection. Super fun. I've had a doctor call the police on my parents and accuse them of sexual abuse because I had a UTI when I was 12. Picture 12 year old me, being forced into a vaginal exam WITHOUT my mother present, and being asked repeatedly if my father ever touched me "down there." Of course, no one had ever touched me. But that story has the potential to get ridiculously long. Long story short, an investigation and a second opinion confirmed the first doctor was full of crap.

    My most recent problem started in March of last year. I started experiencing dizzy spells. It started off slowly, and then became a daily problem. I could be driving, working, watching TV, sitting, standing, working out. There was no connection to why I was having these spells. After months of dealing with it, I finally caved. Went to the doctor who immediately thought I had an inner ear problem, which makes sense. He was unable to confirm it was an inner ear issue. So, he decided that my tonsils were the culprit. They were swollen and he said that they were so swollen that they were pinching a tube in my throat that allowed my ears to drain. So, we started an antibiotic and a steroid to get my tonsils to shrink and relieve the pressure. I immediately got a yeast infection (which always happens when I take antibiotics). After four rounds of antibiotics and steroids being chased with probiotics, meclizine for the dizziness, and diflucan for the yeast infections, I finally said enough was enough. I refused to let him treat me anymore because I came in with one problem, and left with 10, and the original one STILL hadn't been solved. He referred me to an ENT to immediately recommended I have my tonsils removed. So, we do it in March of this year. That's right. 12 months of this nonsense. I have a bleeding complication during the surgery, and during recovery, and ended up in the ER 6 days later. Thousands of dollars later, and the worst three weeks of my life, I am still having dizzy spells. Which means TWO doctors were wrong about the cause of the dizziness. Not only were they wrong, but it costed me a ridiculous amount of money to have a surgery that I probably didn't even need. One day, my fiancé happened to be doing research online and found that the birth control implant I was using had been reported to cause dizzy spells. So, I figured why not? Went to my OB and had it removed. Although, he was "confident" that it would not help my dizziness issues. Guess what happened? Within weeks, the dizziness stopped. Talk about angry! All that money wasted, all that stress on my body, and my job, and my mind. And, all I had to do was take that stupid implant out? I was furious.

    Anyway, in my experience, doctors are just as clueless as we are, and I can't bring myself to take anything they say seriously. I know all too well, that even if they are 100% sure, that doesn't make them right.

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    Candida causes leaky gut which then leads to tons of allergies which can give you fluid in your inner ear. So your problems may be more related to allergies. See if you feel better on hcg because most of the common allergic foods are eliminated.

    Glad the Topimax worked for you, poobears! I had daily migraines for decades until I got on bioidentical hormones. I tried everything known to man including acupuncture, Topamx, every prophylactic drug. I was the first person in my town to use Imitrex. I'd been watching the progress of the drug and was at my doctor's asking for it the day it came out. LOL
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    I had never even thought about allergies being the problem, but you could be right. Candida is something I've always struggled with. I've eliminated a lot of my sugar intake to combat it. It just comes and goes. And always escalates when I'm given antibiotics. I just wrote it off as the birth control implant being the cause of the dizziness problem since it stopped after I got it taken out.

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    Candida really does a number on you.
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