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    Homeopathic HCG is likely all a placebo and possibly dangerous compared to real HCG

    Hello everyone.

    I just wanted to mention to everyone that a lot of research has been done on homeopathy and there is no evidence that it works. In fact, The National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) in Australia has released a statement;

    there are no health conditions for which there is reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective.
    Source: NHMRC

    So while some people are reporting that HHCG helped them, I'd put a high wager that this is due to the placebo effect and not because of any actual physiological effects from the HHCG itself.

    In fact, the NHS is considering banning homeopathy from receiving any further funding due to its lack of evidence and possibly risks of harm. Source: DailyMail

    So for those of you who are using the HHCG, I would highly recommend getting your hands on real HCG, and don't take a chance with your health. You could be losing the wrong type of fat, and messing with your hormones, especially the thyroid.
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    Thank you for that opinion; however, there are other studies that would disagree Let's let everyone make their own decisions as it HAS actually worked for a lot of people (myself included). If it had only a placebo effect, everyone would gain all the weight back and likely more during P3 because they'd be starving their bodies during P2. They'd also be incredibly hungry the entire time even if they were on the right dose. As always, you would just need to make sure the drops include actual HCG (they should read HCG x3 x6 x9, etc.) Are you trying to say that the drops that DON'T include ANY HCG are harmful? Or just all homeopathic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcgpro2 View Post
    however, there are other studies that would disagree
    Can you provide them?

    BBC even did an hour long episode on this and tried to prove homeopathy works to collect $1 million from a known skeptic and was unable to prove it was anything but random.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKf-wcoY6Q8

    Quote Originally Posted by hcgpro2 View Post
    Let's let everyone make their own decisions as it HAS actually worked for a lot of people (myself included). If it had only a placebo effect, everyone would gain all the weight back and likely more during P3 because they'd be starving their bodies during P2.
    Not necessarily. Because you are using individual (anecdotal) experiences and this has a high risk of bias. What you don't hear about are all the people who FAILED on HHCG and had side effects. So the fact that some people are having success is just as likely to be random, just like the results in the BBC special. If enough people try something, some will have positive results and others, negative just simply based on random. About 30% of people have positive results based on placebo effects and these effects can last around 8 weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by hcgpro2 View Post
    They'd also be incredibly hungry the entire time even if they were on the right dose.
    Consider this, people go on juice fasts or water fasts all the time, and their hunger often shuts off after a week or so, without any HCG, sometimes sooner. Some people have the capacity to abstain from food and others can barely go 2 hours without food.

    Quote Originally Posted by hcgpro2 View Post
    As always, you would just need to make sure the drops include actual HCG (they should read HCG x3 x6 x9, etc.)
    Are you trying to say that the drops that DON'T include ANY HCG are harmful? Or just all homeopathic?
    I'm saying that the introduction of homeopathic HCG has several problems.

    1) Simeons invented a dosing scheme of 125iu to 200iu. Assuming homeopathy isn't complete quackery, there would have to be a standardized way of replicating that dosage for the drops and yet every homeopathic HCG product has different concentrations.... each claiming to be the "best" HHCG available.

    2) HCG x3 x6 x9 refers to how many times it has been diluted and succussed. After about 2x to 3x there is no actual HCG left in the water. So no, there is no HCG in the solution. Just the alleged "memory" of the HCG. This is how homeopathy is purported to work.

    3) Again there is no standard of how these HHCG solutions are prepared. There is no way to verify that they ever even started out with HCG in the original tincture. So you are taking this on faith.

    4) There are pellets, liquids, drops, patches, etc... Again demonstrating the wild west of homeopathy for HHCG and lack of standardization.

    5) Drops CANNOT legally contain HCG because it is a prescription drug and cannot be sold on shelves by manufacturers directly to the public without a prescription. Any such company selling real HCG in stores would be shut down and have their assets frozen. Therefore I can guarantee you that none of these company's products contain actual HCG.

    6) Dr.Emma an HCG Doctor tested HHCG solutions and reported; "We didn’t dare use homeopathic drops on our patients which, when tested, have no significant HCG content." In fact, during her interview on Dr.Oz, she explained that the majority of people she has spoken to that had bad experiences or side effects such as hormonal issues and hair loss were taking drops, usually homeopathic. She concluded that "people who are using sublingual HCG drops as a diet aide are not receiving any medication in their blood and are entering a true state of starvation"

    Again, this is all my opinion that I'm presenting to you, but to anyone who might be reading this. If you have been struggling with HHCG, consider trying the REAL stuff before you give up.
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    Study Shmudy...studies have shown real HCG doesn't work so you had better stop eh.
    I personally wouldn't do homeopathy drops but there are too many people here who say it has worked for them for me to poo poo it. Starvation syndrome is overdone. Please google Dr Jason Fung a nephrologist who has treated thousands of T2 diabetics with long fasts up to a month, surviving on bone broth and in better health at the end of it.
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    I've been on this forum for over 7 years, and I've seen tens of thousands of people do the hhcg with great results. I only use shots myself but I don't discount that vast amount of experience. And if Australia is like our FDA, I would believe the exact OPPOSITE of what they say. LOL Our FDA for years has preached avoid cholesterol, eat low fat and high carb. Exactly the worst thing for our health you can imagine. They finally reversed their decades long wrong advice yesterday. It's about time. People have been doing their own research for many years because you sure can't trust the government or medical establishment to tell it to you. I'd still be super sick, fat, and a mess if I hadn't done my due diligence and figured things out on my own. Most so called studies show hcg shots don't work either. They are idiots.
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    Technically there is no proof you can absorb HCG drops either so why recommend them? even the Dr. that is known for HCG drops admits it's impossible to absorb them and his double blind study which I read for myself yesterday shows the weightloss in both groups (the hcg group and the placebo group) was the same. But even without any scientific way to show how hcg is absorbed some how the hcg group did show significant reshaping than the non hcg group especially in their abdomen area.

    Also there is zero proof that HCG works at all. Dr. S said it did but there is still no current studies to back it up. No one can prove it works but even without the scientific proof we see the results, especially the reshaping.

    Why would you believe Dr S so blindly? He was operating on what is now out dated science and you seem to base your belief on science and proof. If that's the case you shouldn't believe in HCG at all.

    We are all adults and free to make our own choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poobears View Post
    Technically there is no proof you can absorb HCG drops either so why recommend them? even the Dr. that is known for HCG drops admits it's impossible to absorb them and his double blind study which I read for myself yesterday shows the weightloss in both groups (the hcg group and the placebo group) was the same. But even without any scientific way to show how hcg is absorbed some how the hcg group did show significant reshaping than the non hcg group especially in their abdomen area.

    Also there is zero proof that HCG works at all. Dr. S said it did but there is still no current studies to back it up. No one can prove it works but even without the scientific proof we see the results, especially the reshaping.

    Why would you believe Dr S so blindly? He was operating on what is now out dated science and you seem to base your belief on science and proof. If that's the case you shouldn't believe in HCG at all.

    We are all adults and free to make our own choices.
    I personally think any oral HCG is garbage, but I didn't want to open that can of worms. But in terms of injecting it, this is the only way proven to actually raise serum levels of HCG.

    HCG actually has plausible mechanisms for why it could work, and Dr.Emma MD did do a study comparing different forms of HCG and concluded that

    Overall weight loss between groups was similar. However, the body composition change that occurred with the use of injectable HCG, namely the increase in percentage of muscle mass and the decrease in percentage of body fat was significant compared to both drops and appetite suppressants alone. Group 1 (injected) showed more than two-fold the body fat percentage lost per week over drops and 23% greater body fat percentage loss over appetite suppressants alone.

    Muscle mass retention was nearly double that in Group 1 (injected) over Group 6 (drops) and a third greater over Group 7 (appetite suppressant). Hormone status of the patient (pre versus post-menopausal, reflected in separation of age groups for females) carried an effect in that females under 40 (Group 1) had more significant results than Groups 2-4, females over 40. In addition, males, as suspected due to their higher levels of testosterone, exhibit a more marked body composition change with HCG treatment with levels of muscle mass retention 20% higher than Group 1 and body fat loss 50% more than Group 1

    Source: http://dremmasdiet.com/wp-content/up...e-Abstract.pdf
    Say what you want about her and her protocol. I know grammy isn't a fan of her's. But there is evidence that injecting it IS superior.
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    Well it's a highly effective placeo then. I've done 4 rounds with an avg of .75lbs loss a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akcharger View Post
    Well it's a highly effective placeo then. I've done 4 rounds with an avg of .75lbs loss a day
    Any calorie restriction will result in weight loss, with or without HCG, and generally in terms of pounds they will be the same. It's about where the weight is coming from.

    The research tends to suggest that HCG may suppress hunger and help retain muscle mass, with the latter only able to be confirmed via BodPod, DEXA scan, CT scan or MRI and not by subjective opinion about one's self. Just saying.... not trying to be a jerk.
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    (This ended up being kind of long. lol If you understand homeopathy and are fine with it, feel free to move along to a shorter and potentially more entertaining post. I felt the need to respond, because some of the objections seem to confuse how homeopathy works with how an injectable would operate and also to misunderstand the level of government regulation for all sorts of medical treatments. I have seen some of these objections come up a lot, so I wanted to clear some things up. If people are not fans of homeopathy or various other alternative medical treatments, that's their choice, but I don't want that to be because they think it is supposed to be something that it isn't or because they think that there are no regulations or standards. So, if you're still here and reading along, away we go...!)

    Firstly, let me say that I appreciate that you are trying to look out for people and ensure their success and wellbeing. This (long) post is meant to be a response to some of the objections you raised and to clear up some potential confusion that you might have and that people who are unfamiliar with homeopathy might have. It is not my intention by any means to attack or berate you. I also do not post this thinking that I am going to convert you into an avid homeopath. I only mean to explain some things that might be unclear to you and to others and to provide some support for homeopathy and HHCG. You might still disagree with it, but I hope that that will be because that's what you have decided and not because you were misled by some misinformation along the way.

    I would quote and reply that way, but the system is being uncooperative.

    It is clear that you don't agree with homeopathy. That is certainly your prerogative, and you have the right to do so. There are all sorts of medical treatments and procedures with various studies for and against their validity and efficacy. People and medical practitioners like some approaches and dislike others. While you mention Australia moving away from homeopathy, in Germany, it is still a favored form of treatment. There are all sorts of studies that you can look up that prove the efficacy of homeopathy. However, if you cannot embrace it and the method of treatment doesn't seem valid to you, it is your right to question it, and your right to choose another method. I mention all of this, because some of your comments against the homeopathic HCG are not really related to a problem with homeopathic HCG itself, but to the principles of homeopathy in general--something you simply do not agree with.

    So, to address some of your comments....

    You do hear about people who fail on homeopathic HCG. You also hear about people who fail on injections. But from what I have seen, it is not a matter of the HHCG/HCG failing to do its job. When we investigate, it is usually a food allergy, or the person is not eating sensibly and healthily to maintain their new body. I recall one woman who was lamenting how she was gaining and gaining weight. She didn't understand why she was having so much trouble. It turns out she was drinking three thousand calories of heavy whipping cream coffee a day in addition to her other food. As far as anecdotal evidence in its favor, I have also seen stories where the person's family member thought the homeopathic HCG was bunk and poured it out and replaced it with water to make a point. The family member had to come forward and apologize and say what she had done when her mom was starving and feeling like crap and didn't know why. There are people who are feeling terrible for weeks, and then learn that they had a formula without any homeopathic HCG in it. They don't have those issues when they get the true homeopathic formula. That would not be a placebo effect. These are people who honestly thought they were taking the right thing and should have felt fine. People are having success on HHCG and they're having struggles as we all do on both methods. I like HCG in general, and I find that when it isn't working, it is less about the dosing-method and more about some issue with the person doing the program.

    1) Dosing/Best Product -- You have just said that Dr. S invented a dosing plan of 125 to 200 hundred units. That's a broad range. Everybody must find the correct dose for their situation. It is the same with HHCG. People respond differently to different strengths of a homeopathic. The bottle or your practitioner will tell you a number of drops to take and a frequency at which to take them. You adjust according to how you feel and are responding--just as with any other medication. Your homeopathic practitioner is highly educated as to the details of the strengths of the product and makes recommendations accordingly. And as far as everybody having the "best product", that is something you see everywhere in every industry. lol The person who formulated the particular HCG product can say that they believe that this range of strengths is best because of such and such. They like to add this and that to their formula because they think it helps the body respond in a particular way. This is true of homeopathic formulas and also special formulas that doctors make of regular HCG where they add B vitamins and whatnot to their injections or give them concurrently. You have to research and discuss with your healthcare people and figure out what is best for you--whatever method of HCG you're doing.

    2) & 6a) HCG in the Formula -- This goes back to how you feel about homeopathy. Homeopaths will tell you that there is HCG in the solution at whatever strength it's mixed to. If you don't agree with homeopathy, no amount of testing the solution with the current allopathic methods is ever going to convince you that it's in there. Homeopathy just isn't for you, and you should choose another method. If you do agree with the principles of homeopathy, then as long as you are getting an HCG formula from a reputable company and not some other sort of amino blend or the wrong thing altogether (like picking up HGH by mistake), then you're good. According to homeopathy, there is HCG in the formula. Which brings me to point 6.

    6b) In the Blood -- Again, this is an issue with the principles of homeopathy. Homeopathic formulas don't go into the blood. That is not how they work. As a loose analogy, some hybrid cars can run on either gas or electricity. If the car happens to be using electricity that day, you don't exclaim that it can't possibly be working because there's no gas in the car. It just happens to be using a different system to get you to your destination.

    6c) State of Starvation -- People who have had incorrect doses feel very hungry on HHCG, just as on the injections. Personally, since my body doesn't do well with fasting, this never goes away when I'm on the wrong dose. I am hungry 24/7. I don't just get used to fasting by any method. The lady who had her HHCG sneakily poured out and switched with water was ravenous when she had not been before, and this was well into her round. Some people find that they do better on different strengths of the HHCG, lower vs. higher solutions. These are not things that happen when one is having some placebo effect and is oblivious to the fact that one is starving oneself. People on the HHCG repeatedly feel the same as those on injections, in good ways and bad. Their bodies change the same way--with fat loss. I have a scale that tests my body-fat percentage. It goes down, and I lose very little lean muscle mass--something that wouldn't happen if I were starving myself. When I take homeopathics for other issues, if I'm not taking the right thing for the problem I'm having and the root of my problem, I don't get a result. But when I do, the homeopathic works well and my body responds. HHCG makes me lose fat, and not just fat in general, belly-fat. When I take it, I don't feel tired and starving, I feel good and energized. People who take the HHCG do not end up with their bodies shutting down the weight-loss as one would expect if their bodies needed to protect from weeks of starvation (and I might note, as people who don't like the HCG diet expect even the injection users to experience). Is this sort of thing anecdotal? Of course, this whole forum is anecdotal, for both methods. As I and others have mentioned, there are all sorts of scientific studies proving the efficacy of homeopathy. If you're still not sure, people can present their personal experiences with homeopathic products. But in the end, people have to weigh the evidence for and against, scientific and anecdotal, and decide for themselves.

    3) Regulations -- Homeopathy, like any sort of medical industry, IS regulated by various government agencies. You are not taking it on faith that they started with HCG in the original tincture. They are not allowed to label it as something if it is not that, according to the industry standards. Which brings me to point 5.

    5) If It's Real You'd Need a Prescription -- Yes, the straight hormones HCG and others are prescription "drugs". You have to have a prescription. However, homeopathics, herbs, nutritional supplements, etc., all have different rules they have to follow. As it happens, a homeopathic hormone is not counted the same way as a straight hormone. Ethical companies will not take their highly specialized formulas, some for very serious conditions and with ingredients that are quite strong, and simply sell it to whomever anywhere; many will only sell to doctors who require a consultation with you before giving you the product. These "alternative medicines" are all regulated by the FDA in the US, and each method has various standards that have to be followed. And before you are tempted to spout off about dangerous substances being available to all and sundry, there are lots of over-the-counter medications that can be dangerous if not taken correctly, and yet they are available to buy at will, even some that were formerly prescription-only products. It is up to the consumers to do their research about what they are taking, who is prescribing it, and where they are getting it from--whether that is the drugstore, online, their doctor's office, or some seller overseas.

    4) Drops, Pellets, patches, etc. -- I just went to Target to get some allergy drugs. There were several different brands and different formulas by companies all claiming to be the best medicine ever for my nasal congestion. I was looking for Zyrtec. I could choose between the brand name, Zyrtec, or the Target version. I could get it with a little of the active ingredient and take it more often, I could also have it with a little Sudafed, or I could get a lot of the active ingredient and Sudafed. From there, my choices were tablets, gel-caps, or quick-dissolve tablets. I ended up with the Target version in a gel-cap because sometimes a regular tablet doesn't break down in the digestive system, and I didn't want to dissolve a tablet in my mouth and potentially have an unpleasant taste. That's the "wild west and lack of standardization" for you. I got to choose what was best for me. It's the same when I take a homeopathic. I tend not to take a pellet, because I'm not fond of the chalky, lactose base a lot of them come in. I don't like a formula with a lot of alcohol in the base, because that can be pungent and burning to hold in my mouth. I like a formula that I can put directly under my tongue or mix with a little water and swish around. But other people like the convenience of having a solid tablet and find them pleasantly sweet. To each their own. But that is just the delivery system. The formula itself has to match what is stated on the label, according to industry standards. If something says it is a 30x solution, it has to be a 30x solution. Are there bad people out there who might try to sell something? Of course. Just look at how many drug companies are being sued for making deadly, cancer-causing drugs. Look at the issues some people have with generics, saying that they don't always follow the regulations as they should. And look at the vitamin companies who use cheap plants, without much efficacy or use lots of fillers in their formulas. Bad people are everywhere. You have to test things and you have to do what is best for you. Be an advocate for your own health.

    In the end, it comes down to what works for you, your body, your preferred methods of healthcare, and your healthcare-philosophy. Some people like the homeopathic and do just fine. Some people like homeopathics, but find that they respond better to the injection-method. Other people don't like the idea of homeopathy at all and want to go straight with the source. That's each individual's choice. I wanted to respond because I want to make sure that people are deciding based on the facts and evidence and not because they have been confused about what homeopathy entails.

    Phew! You made it to the end of my post. High five!
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    Well, even if it IS a placebo the plan works effectively and works consistently...I'm good with that!

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    Calories really don't matter. That woman can have all the heavy whipping cream she wants as long as she's not allergic to it. The most common reasons for regaining are food allergies or endocrine problems for women. Men have an easier time of it because they don't have all the hormonal intricacies and women often have thyroid problems as well.

    I've seen thousands and thousands do very well on true homeopathic drops. It's not a placebo because I've also seen fake drops where a person actually gains weight and is super hungry. When someone does drops that are nothing but water, you can always tell because they don't work as well.
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    I am not a medical doctor and my statements are not intended to treat, diagnose or cure any medical condition. Please always check with your doctor for medical questions and assistance. Medical Disclaimer:

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