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    Resetting Hypothalamus, Really

    OK, I know this is controversial but I'd like to hear some constructive discussion. I've read pounds and inches a couple times to make sure and nowhere in that paper does Dr. Siemen's say that his protocol resets the hypothalmus. He does say that it is most likely the place where the access to stored fat is controlled but he doesn't say that HCG keeps the door way open or even re-balances where extra calories are stored. If someone can direct me to a part of the article that supports the theory of resetting the hypothalamus, please do. I'm very curious to where this idea started.
    I have done further on-line research and have found that any very-low-calorie diet is expected to have more or less the same results (average 44 lbs in 12 weeks) and that all the symptopms of a VLCD, regardless of using HCG or not, goes away in about a week and that that as long as the dieter can get past the first week, subsequent weeks are easier.
    Furthermore, I found a woman who did a full round using HCG then out of curiosity did a 2nd round without it had pretty much the same results.
    So the questions are: Does HCG reset your metabolism? (I think not. It does however, definately reset our idea of a proper portion size).
    Is HCG real or a placebo? (Does it matter if it works? Not to me but I'm a little afraid to experiment without it.)

    One more note. I found a blog about "starvation mode". This Dr, presents a study that shows "starvation mode" doesn't kick in until a person is actually starving, that is until their fat reserves are about 5% or less. It's an interesting read and if the link below works, I suggest you read it if you can. He says that a person can't go into starvation mode as long as they have any extra fat on them.
    http://www.healthscience.org/index.p...log&Itemid=267

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    I'm on my 13th injection, so I don't know how this will turn out in terms of maintaining the loss, but I will say the evidence I needed that rx subq hCG is definitely not a placebo was presented to me the very first VLCD. Both load days and VLCD1 I injected 150iu. On VLCD1, I was ravenous -- painfully hungry to the point of feeling sick to my stomach. I ended up eating an additional serving of protein before I went to bed because I was afraid I was going to vomit.

    After reading so many posts about hunger and how it is a dose issue (when using rx hCG), I didn't skip a day or wait another day to see if 150iu would eventually work. Immediately the next morning, VLCD2, I upped the dose to 175iu. The difference was night and day. I experienced ZERO hunger, and a sense of emotional and physical calm that I've NEVER experienced on any restricted calorie diet. I've only experienced that feeling on low carb where I was eating all the fat I wanted and calories weren't an issue.

    edited to add: And my energy level is either the same as, or better than, the days prior to embarking upon my hCG experiment. I would never be able to function on a 500 calorie diet.

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    One could argue that adjusting the dose could support the placebo effect by making you "think" you have some control over your hunger. Having said that, it was also my experience that after I adjust my dose on VLCD 4 or 5, my hunger did subside markedly. I couldn't say that it had any kind of calming effect on me though.

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    I believe it reset my metabolism..I eat @200-400 calories per day more now to maintain a weight @15 pounds lower than before hcg.

    It is also the ONLY thing/diet that has gotten rid of my sugar cravings.
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    For years I would gain if I consistently ate over 1000 to 1200 calories per day. To lose weight I had to drop to 600 or 800 per day and then it took forever to drop a lb or two. By age, weight, etc I should be able to sit still and still eat 1800+ calories per day and not gain. My metabolism was completed screwed up.

    After my first round of hHCG, I can consistently eat 1600 - 1800 calories per day, maintain my weight and even lose slowly. I did so over the course of 21 days of P3 and 65 days of P4 before heading back for a second round.
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    Again, playing devil's advocate; Could it be that we can eat more calories after HCG because we're choosing different food? Before HCG I would tend to drift toward the sugar and carbs in what I thought were controlled amounts. Now I would rather have a bit of protein snack. Also, after HCG maybe we are better able to judge portion size and calories therein? Could it be that we used to eat way more calories than we thought we were?
    One of the biggest advantage I think this diet has over other VLCD diets is that we feed ourselves instead of relying on shakes or bars. Our idea of a reasonable portion has changed along with our food choices and we're able to maintain that by slight adjustments after the diet instead of a completely different routine.
    To date I have not tracked calories on this diet because I'm not convinced I'll be correct in my assessment. I also think that not all food is absorbed the same. Our bodies are not 100% efficient machine and there's no way it can metabolize every last calorie for use or storage. Protein is not easily digested and often "complete's its journey" before it can be fully processed. Also, the addition of fiber "locks" some of the food in the waste stream so it too, cannot be fully digested.

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    I truly believe that certain combinations of foods cause gains...for example when eating fats with either sugars or starches.

    I think I eat larger portions overall since doing this diet.

    I try not to analyze too much but I definitely know my body and my way of thinking about food have changed in the last 6 months. Be it chemistry or magic, I'll take it.
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    Ture, be it chemistry or magic; real or placebo; it doesn't matter because it's working.

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    You might want to read Dr. Belluscio's entire study. It was double blind and and captured data that compares VLCD with and without hcg. I found it very interesting. I think you ask very good questions, and think they are important to ferret out the science behind this so that we can all have accurate answers for those who press us for them. My husband is an RN and he understood the above mentioned study better than I did, but it was the final thing he needed to research to make him agree that this was indeed going to be something different than the usual VLCD. Also, his doc and my doc are advocates of the diet (one did it herself and the other one's husband did it.) Both docs are involved in research at a major university - one on fibromyalgia, and one is on the faculty. They both said there is an effect on the hypothalamus - maybe it is from their anecdotal information, I don't know. I'll ask them more about it when I see them.

    Also, Beth_M I've been reading your blog, which I love, and am thinking about graphing out your entire experience on graph paper in terms of phases, days, and calories consumed, and weight. I find your numbers very interesting, and thought seeing it in a graph would be encouraging for me to see! Have you done that for yourself? I posted on another thread that I think the data that is being captured on this board, while all anecdotal, might be very useful to researchers for spotting trends and therefore pointing towards more research. I wish there was some sort of app that could be on the board for a survey that we could complete that researchers could access.
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    I'm glad you like the blog. Looks like you're having a fantastic round!

    I've got excel spreadsheets for weights, etc for every day from June 28th forward. They include AM weight, PM weight, etc. I track all my calories with an online calculator but have not put one with the other.

    I do use the combination for analysis when I have gains or stalls. That was my primary reason for keeping the records..
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    I am hoping to be a good "case study". I have always had to work at maintaining my weight, but with my first child it seemed to change and it wasn't as difficult and I was at my healthy weight and stayed in a decent range. Then I got chronic carbon monoxide poisoning which can REALLY affect the hypothalamus and since then I have had a steady gain. I have tried exercise, diet, etc.. I eat a great diet, mostly organic, tons of low fat foods, watch my carbs..... NOTHING gets me more than 5 pounds off the weight I have gained, and then it goes right back on. It has gotten VERY depressing. When I read this is all makes sense and I am hoping (magic or not) that this is the trick. I start loading this Saturday, and I couldn't be more excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyitsme View Post
    I am hoping to be a good "case study". I have always had to work at maintaining my weight, but with my first child it seemed to change and it wasn't as difficult and I was at my healthy weight and stayed in a decent range. Then I got chronic carbon monoxide poisoning which can REALLY affect the hypothalamus and since then I have had a steady gain. I have tried exercise, diet, etc.. I eat a great diet, mostly organic, tons of low fat foods, watch my carbs..... NOTHING gets me more than 5 pounds off the weight I have gained, and then it goes right back on. It has gotten VERY depressing. When I read this is all makes sense and I am hoping (magic or not) that this is the trick. I start loading this Saturday, and I couldn't be more excited!
    Welcome! Yes, you would make an excellent case study! Make sure you post about your progress, and don't forget to keep good records. Good luck, and load up until you can't stuff another bite in your mouth?
    Failure is not an option.

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    In P3 and P4 held steady - up a little, down a little, but it was all good!

    ROUND 2
    Got sick and had to quit, but lost a few pounds

    ROUND 3 (Cycled 2 weeks)
    Preload - 173
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    LDW - 165

    Starting Round 4 to lose 15 pounds from course of Prednisone. Fingers crossed.




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