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    Questions about Dr.Simeons hCG diet protocol

    I've started to read the original m****cript by Dr.Simeons, right after my first consultation at this hCG clinic. I also have read Kevin Trudeau's Weight Loss Cure book and it states when you start your 1st and 2nd hCG you must "GORGE" for the first 48 hours. This other person who has done the Dr.Simeons hCG say that I should not eat whatever I want such as an organic hamburger, fries, pancakes, eggs, ice cream etc.. Otherwise I would be wasting my time.

    So a week before I start the hCG injections I MUST gorge, eat anything that I want? Provided that it's all organic. As soon as I start my 1st and 2nd injection I can eat whatever I want with certain exceptions?

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    Some of the information out there can be confusing.

    Almost no one does any of the preparation stuff Kevin Trudeau recommends. No gorging is necessary before you start taking the HCG.

    The first two days you take the HCG, you should eat liberally of fats whenever you eat. You do not have to "gorge" to the point of discomfort. Just eat what you can, and eat as often as you can. It is not necessary to eat until you feel sick. If you want to stay with mostly healthy fats, that is fine. If you want to throw in some junky treat stuff, that is fine too. You can't really "eat what you want" if all you want is all sugary bready stuff. If you do, you can gain a lot and feel terrible while you detox from the sugar. Its the fats that are going to make your transition into the low calorie phase more comfortable. Whether you eat organic does not really matter.

    If you keep the sugary carbs down to something reasonable, and concentrate more on the fatty stuff, you can usually avoid a big load gain. A normal gain is 1-3 pounds. That will usually come off after the first low calorie day.

    Here's how I load: I make a low-carb cheesecake and have it for breakfast. I pop macadamia nuts in between meals, and enjoy things like ribs, bacon, pot roast, cheese melts and guacamole. I eat gobs of nut butter, and for my treats, I slather butter on a good sourdough bread, get a pint of HagenDaaz coffee icecream and maybe have some sweet potato fries and sliders at my favorite all-night diner. I don't eat much veggies or fruits during load days unless they are fried or in a pie.

    Healthy good fats and a couple of treats is my formula for a good load.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Some of the information out there can be confusing.

    Almost no one does any of the preparation stuff Kevin Trudeau recommends. No gorging is necessary before you start taking the HCG.

    The first two days you take the HCG, you should eat liberally of fats whenever you eat. You do not have to "gorge" to the point of discomfort. Just eat what you can, and eat as often as you can. It is not necessary to eat until you feel sick. If you want to stay with mostly healthy fats, that is fine. If you want to throw in some junky treat stuff, that is fine too. You can't really "eat what you want" if all you want is all sugary bready stuff. If you do, you can gain a lot and feel terrible while you detox from the sugar. Its the fats that are going to make your transition into the low calorie phase more comfortable. Whether you eat organic does not really matter.

    If you keep the sugary carbs down to something reasonable, and concentrate more on the fatty stuff, you can usually avoid a big load gain. A normal gain is 1-3 pounds. That will usually come off after the first low calorie day.

    Here's how I load: I make a low-carb cheesecake and have it for breakfast. I pop macadamia nuts in between meals, and enjoy things like ribs, bacon, pot roast, cheese melts and guacamole. I eat gobs of nut butter, and for my treats, I slather butter on a good sourdough bread, get a pint of HagenDaaz coffee icecream and maybe have some sweet potato fries and sliders at my favorite all-night diner. I don't eat much veggies or fruits during load days unless they are fried or in a pie.

    Healthy good fats and a couple of treats is my formula for a good load.
    I know what you mean by gorging. I should eat as if I weren't on a diet for the first 48 hours. I don't know if I should go as far as going to my local farm to buy organic eats, cage free chickens, grass fed cows etc. Since Whole Foods is known to have GMO fruits and vegetables.

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    I should eat as if I weren't on a diet for the first 48 hours.
    Not exactly. Just eating normally is not sufficient. You do have to ply yourself with fats every time you eat. The more pure the foods are, the less detox your body will have to do, so organics are a good choice. But choosing and consuming enough good fats is more important.

    Good fats are the omega 3 kinds: avocado, oil oil, coconut oil, nuts and nut butters, butter. Full fat dairy and fatty meats are the next best ones.

    The omega 6 fats are inflammatory and though you can indulge in some, try not to make it the main source: vegetable oils, fried foods, pastries, pies, cakes, cookies, chips, etc.

    The idea is to give the HCG something to work on while it builds up in your system to the point where your own fat stores become available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leez View Post
    Not exactly. Just eating normally is not sufficient. You do have to ply yourself with fats every time you eat. The more pure the foods are, the less detox your body will have to do, so organics are a good choice. But choosing and consuming enough good fats is more important.

    Good fats are the omega 3 kinds: avocado, oil oil, coconut oil, nuts and nut butters, butter. Full fat dairy and fatty meats are the next best ones.

    The omega 6 fats are inflammatory and though you can indulge in some, try not to make it the main source: vegetable oils, fried foods, pastries, pies, cakes, cookies, chips, etc.

    The idea is to give the HCG something to work on while it builds up in your system to the point where your own fat stores become available.
    So should my food dairy should look something like this for the first 48 hours?
    Day 1
    Breakfast
    Organic coffee with raw organic sugar
    Organic pancakes, organic butter, 100% raw organic maple syrup. Two tablespoons of raw organic butter spread on top of my pancakes.
    Scrambled eggs
    Lunch
    Fried breaded chicken with (ingredients raw organic coconut oil, cage free organic chicken, shredded organic bread, organic eggs, organic parsley, organic garlic, organic Himalayan salt, organic pepper)
    Organic mashed potatoes
    Organic tomatoes
    Organic French bread
    Organic spinach salad, with organic olive oil.
    For desert
    Organic chocolate ice cream.
    Dinner
    Organic Tacos
    Organic noodles with cheese
    Organic avocado
    Organic Sweet Tea
    Organic spinach salad
    For Desert
    Newman Cookies, or Organic Chocolate Ice cream.
    Day 2
    Breakfast
    Organic Coffee with added raw organic sugar and full fat milk.
    Scrambled eggs
    Organic Pancakes, maple syrup, and butter.
    Lunch
    Organic Hamburgers
    Organic fried potatoes OR organic sea salted potato chips
    Organic Sweet Tea
    Avocado
    Desert
    Organic cheesecake, or organic chocolate cake, or organic chocolate ice cream.
    Dinner
    Same as for lunch.
    Deserts
    Newman cookies, or chocolate ice cream, or cake

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    That should work fine.

    I would add some nut snacks in between meals if you can manage it. I think macadamia nuts are perfect little fat bombs for this purpose. But a spoonful of peanut butter works too.

    You might want to consider cutting back on the starches a bit and maybe only have one or two meals during the 2 days that include potatos or grains instead of having them at every meal. It could make the transition to P2 a little more comfortable, as less sugar/starch detoxing will be needed.

    Your body doesn't need a lot of starches to prepare for the diet phase, it does need fats. The starchy stuff satisfies the need to indulge and say goodbye to favorite stuff you probably wont' be eating much ever again, except for the next time you load. So its fine to do if you wish.
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    You don't need to eat organic food on this diet. Some of us just prefer to eat all our food that way, but it isn't part of the diet. The "gorging" is eating to capacity during your first 48 hours of taking hcg...hint: if you throw up, you've eaten over your capacity. You must eat to capacity for the first 2 days, but some may eat that way for up to a week.

    Recommended calorie dense foods in the original protocol are eggs, bacon, mayonnaise, milk chocolate, fried meats (including pork), pastries with whipped cream, bread with thick butter and jam.

    Lately, some people find they feel better if they load with few carbs/starches. I tend to like a variety of everything.

    I don't think it is an especially great idea to plan out in detail a menu for the first 2 days. You will likely find you don't want to eat much so you'll end up modifying that menu quite a bit and then you'll have all that leftover food in the house. I usually manage to include a cheeseburger or pizza. I always plan to have macaroni and cheese, but I don't think I've ever managed to choke that down during those 2 days. You'll likely end up looking for items small in size that have a lot of calories just because you can't hold much. A breve mocha or some ice cream, or macadamia nuts/nut butter (as Leez suggested) work well for this.

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    Jmmrr is right. I found that I would make a big menu plan of loading foods for both days as well, but ended up never eating all of the food and having to throw it out. I always imagine that I'm going to have macaroni & cheese too, but never get to it. Once the hcg kicks in, you will not be as hungry or able to devour as much food as you think you will.

    My favorite load foods are fatty breve mocha/lattes, haagen dazs ice cream, heavy whipping cream mixed with ice water (drink it like milk) macadamia nuts/nut butter, and fried chicken. If i'm out and about on a loading day, I might stop and pick up some McDonalds french fries just because I can, since they're something I don't normally eat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jmmrr View Post
    You don't need to eat organic food on this diet. Some of us just prefer to eat all our food that way, but it isn't part of the diet. The "gorging" is eating to capacity during your first 48 hours of taking hcg...hint: if you throw up, you've eaten over your capacity. You must eat to capacity for the first 2 days, but some may eat that way for up to a week.

    Recommended calorie dense foods in the original protocol are eggs, bacon, mayonnaise, milk chocolate, fried meats (including pork), pastries with whipped cream, bread with thick butter and jam.

    Lately, some people find they feel better if they load with few carbs/starches. I tend to like a variety of everything.

    I don't think it is an especially great idea to plan out in detail a menu for the first 2 days. You will likely find you don't want to eat much so you'll end up modifying that menu quite a bit and then you'll have all that leftover food in the house. I usually manage to include a cheeseburger or pizza. I always plan to have macaroni and cheese, but I don't think I've ever managed to choke that down during those 2 days. You'll likely end up looking for items small in size that have a lot of calories just because you can't hold much. A breve mocha or some ice cream, or macadamia nuts/nut butter (as Leez suggested) work well for this.
    Well, as for the leftover food in the house either my mom and or my brother can eat it.

    I think that in Dr.ATW Simeons' original m****cript he says to gorge for a week prior starting the injections. I plan to start the injections on Monday. So starting tomorrow I should have coffee(with a few packs of sugar), eggs, pancakes with butter from Whataburger? Or I can just have toasted french bread with thick butter and jam.Then for lunch since I work at Whataburger I should eat a Double Meat Whataburger, with large fries, sweet tea, and a cinnamon roll? For dinner I can have mashed potatoes with either fried(in coconut oil) breaded chicken or beef? Finally for dessert I should eat either a cheese coffee cake or ice cream.

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    I think that in Dr.ATW Simeons' original m****cript he says to gorge for a week prior starting the injections.
    This is not correct for everyone, only those that have been low calorie dieting for a long time. Most people only need to eat to capacity for 2 days, once they have started the injections. Notice that he refers to only some that will have to be force fed for a week prior to starting. The vast majority do not need more than the 2 required loading days once they start the HCG injections.
    Most patients who have been struggling with diets for years and know how rapidly they gain if they let themselves go are very hard to convince of the absolute necessity of gorging for at least two days, and yet this must he insisted upon categorically if the further course of treatment is to run smoothly. Those patients (which means not everyone, or even a lot) who have to be put on forced feeding for a week before starting the injections usually gain weight rapidly – four to six pounds in 24 hours is not unusual – but after a day or two this rapid gain generally levels off. In any case, the whole gain is usually lost in the first 48 hours of dieting. It is necessary to proceed in this manner because the gain re-stocks the depleted normal reserves, whereas the subsequent loss is from the abnormal deposits only.
    The recommended list from the protocol that Jmrr posted for you can be used as a guide. Basically, you are to eat as much as you can of foods that are considered fattening. How you arrange that is up to you. If you want to eat nothing but french fries, donuts and icecream the whole time, you can do that. Sliders and sweet potato fries are one of my favorite loading treats.
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    In all my years moderating the forum, I've never seen anyone who needed to load for a week. Most people haven't been on an extremely low calorie diet for a long time that would make that necessary. Here is what he calls a "normal" course.

    Plan of a Normal Course
    125 I.U. of HCG daily (except during menstruation) ui injections have been given.
    Until 3rd injection forced feeding.
    After 3rd injection, 500 calorie diet to be continued until 72 hours after the last injection.
    For the following 3 weeks, all foods allowed except starch and sugar in any form (careful with very sweet fruit).After 3 weeks, very gradually add starch in small quantities, always controlled by morning weighing.
    My expert Hcg Diet advice is based specifically on the original Simeons Protocol. Grammy's personal protocol:Grammy's Hcg Diet Protocol
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    I'm not sure what counts as "extremely" low calorie, but I had been eating 1400-1500 calories for years before starting. I wasn't told to load any more days, but I did gain SEVEN pounds when loading.

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